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Actually we still don't know many things. The studies are still ongoing and while we don't expect radical discoveries, the long-term benefit of vaccines meaning

by NoPie 5y ago

Actually we still don't know many things. The studies are still ongoing and while we don't expect radical discoveries, the long-term benefit of vaccines meaning how long the protection lasts, what are effects on new variants etc. are still unknown. Experimental for some is just a code word that the studies are not completed yet. One shouldn't read too much into this. However, it is clear that vaccine mandates are not really needed anyway, as the UK had never implemented them and recently they abolished them even for healthcare professionals [1]. What is so different in other EU countries or in the US/Canada? Vaccines still have positive benefit/risk ratio, there is no doubt about that. However, forced vaccination seems unnecessary when vaccines don't limit the spread of infection. They are purely for individual benefit. 1. https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/relief-and-frustration-u-turn-vax-mandate-2022a1000980 https://www.medscape.co.uk/viewarticle/relief-and-frustratio...

nyokodo 5y ago
> Experimental for some is just a code word that the studies are not completed yet Then that's equivocation with the word "experimental." It's chosen to evoke the idea that the vaccines are a highly risky uncertain proposition when in fact we have enormous volumes of real-world data. if they intended to communicate the uncertainty over how long immunity lasts then the word to choose isn't experimental. The choice of the word is dishonest and driven by some other motivation.
- NoPie 5y ago
  You can accuse antivax by putting too much meaning into the word “experimental” but you shouldn't fall for their attempts to redefine the meaning of this word and argue from that position. Experimental can be just something that is used in an experiment or trial. You can take a substance that is known as completely safe (NaCl in small quantities, for example) and then experiment on it. It will be called “study drug” for the purposes of research. The regulators actually don't use the term “experimental drug” but colloquially experiment is just another word for a test or trial.

by NoPie 5y ago

nyokodo 5y ago

> Experimental for some is just a code word that the studies are not completed yet Then that's equivocation with the word "experimental." It's chosen to evoke the idea that the vaccines are a highly risky uncertain proposition when in fact we have enormous volumes of real-world data. if they intended to communicate the uncertainty over how long immunity lasts then the word to choose isn't experimental. The choice of the word is dishonest and driven by some other motivation.

NoPie 5y ago
You can accuse antivax by putting too much meaning into the word “experimental” but you shouldn't fall for their attempts to redefine the meaning of this word and argue from that position. Experimental can be just something that is used in an experiment or trial. You can take a substance that is known as completely safe (NaCl in small quantities, for example) and then experiment on it. It will be called “study drug” for the purposes of research. The regulators actually don't use the term “experimental drug” but colloquially experiment is just another word for a test or trial.