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>There are also those who really want a recreational marijuana program that could lead to more people smoking and less people working, with all the societal and

>There are also those who really want a recreational marijuana program that could lead to more people smoking and less people working, with all the societal and family ills that that brings. Well, it's still Mississippi.

encryptluks2 5y ago
Wow, they really want to keep the liquor, tobacco and pharmaceutical industry going as long as they can. There are a lot of professional workers that smoke marijuana, business owners, successful artists, etc. The devil's lettuce might not be for everyone, but how can these people be anti-vaccine mandate (pro-choice) while still trying to prevent marijuana legalization?
- dqv 5y ago
  My understanding, from knowing someone close to these political circles, is that there is a conflict between the religious faction and the individual-liberty faction. So whenever that gets resolved, we will see further movement on that front. >The devil's lettuce might not be for everyone It’s not for me. Neither is alcohol. Doesn’t mean I think it should be illegal. I don’t get why other people have this attitude about keeping things illegal simply because they don’t personally get enjoyment out of it.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    Other peoples's enjoyment has a tendency to stink up the place. I can smell some homes from the opposite side of a four lane road.
    - dqv 5y ago
      That’s not any different than loud cars or smelly food. The smell of barbecue smoke gives me a headache, but I don’t demand that we outlaw barbecue.
    - noitpmeder 5y ago
      How is this any different than someone smoking cigarettes, other than that we're more accustomed to exposure to second hand tobacco?
    - moate 5y ago
      Survivor bias: There are plenty of ways to consume pot that don't "stink up the place" (vaping, tinctures, and edibles among them) that are preferred by many. You're only smelling the weed from people smoking in specific ways. My brother-in-law's house smells like weed the second you step inside but is a perfectly unsmelly suburban home from the even the porch.
  - JaimeThompson 5y ago
    If the religious faction can get over the leaders they supporting lying and cheating all the time they can get over people smoking a plant.
    - encryptluks2 5y ago
      They can cheat, lie and steal but as long as they ask for forgiveness they believe they are more pure than an honest pot smoker. I look forward to the day where most religions are classified as a mental illness. The fact that psychology has kind of made this exception makes me think the whole industry is pretty messed up.
    - moate 5y ago
      If only that's how psychology worked...
      - JaimeThompson 5y ago
        Well you aren't wrong. Sadly.
  - refurb 5y ago
    “Politics is mathematics. Principles are worth having, but they don’t get you elected.”
- throwawaymedia 5y ago
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  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    > Does that mean cocaine should be legalized? Yes, I do believe it should or at least decriminalized. There is much more danger in illegal drug trade and a dysfunctional uneducated society. > There are tons of research papers on marijuana being harmful to your brain Not any recent ones unless you're talking about youth. There are studies that show marijuana can improve brain function and capacity. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-may-boost-rather-than-dull-the-elderly-brain https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-may-boo... > The smell of marijuana is the worst. It spreads like cancer and you can smell it blocks away It is relative. Pollution also smells bad and so does cigarette smoke. I don't understand this argument at all because there are different methods for consumption. How about we ban farms since they smell. > Uneducated people start from marijuana and then look for other "fun" things to smoke No they don't. You are just equating a bad personal experience and they stereotyping everyone based off it. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. However, people being poor and impoverished without adequate help and services often use drugs. I actually agree on the vaccine comments for the most part but think the rest has little evidence to support, unless you're talking about Reagan science and the D.A.R.E. propaganda about marijuana making your balls shrivel up. If you don't trust your government with mandates then maybe try reevaluating your perception on marijuana. Take a trip to Colorado and try it out if you don't have an underlying mental illness and if you turn into an asshole while you're high then you were most likely one beforehand.
    - throwawaymedia 5y ago
      > Yes, I do believe it should or at least decriminalized. There is much more danger in illegal drug trade and a dysfunctional uneducated society. Once again, similar to what I said to the other commenter. Fix the uneducated society first. There are much more uneducated weed smokers than educated ones. > Not any recent ones unless you're talking about youth. There are studies that show marijuana can improve brain function and capacity. Erm... I'm a HN reader for 8+ years. There are a handful number of research papers reach the front page several times a year. THC is able to alter the functioning of the hippocampus (see "Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus") and orbitofrontal cortex, brain areas that enable a person to form new memories and shift his or her attentional focus. As a result, using marijuana causes impaired thinking and interferes with a person’s ability to learn and perform complicated tasks. THC also disrupts functioning of the cerebellum and basal ganglia, brain areas that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. [0] Marijuana has been even linked to schizophrenia development [1]. Let's for sure legalize it. [0] https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2782160 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  > but how can these people be anti-vaccine mandate (pro-choice) The context of “pro choice” referring to abortion is not the same context as “pro choice” referring to vaccinations. Abortions do not affect anyone else, certainly not physically relative to the woman going through the pregnancy. Infectious diseases do affect everyone else. Using the term to equate the validity of the two positions is incorrect and misses the reasoning.
  - criddell 5y ago
    The pro life people don't see any difference between a 4 month old fetus and a 4 month old baby. They are both lives worth protecting. If that's how you see the world, then an abortion certainly does affect somebody other than the woman.
- lariati 5y ago
  Why pick on the states at this point. It is utterly absurd there is not more a push to legalize at the Federal level.
  - moate 5y ago
    Part of the lack of Federal push is because many individual states/industries have interests in it not happening. And one thing about the way the US has things set up, the States often function as the laboratories for social experiments. That's why you get things like Colorado being the first to legalize weed and Texas attempting to soft-ban abortion.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      "Part of the lack of Federal push is because many individual states/industries have interests in it not happening." Many individual states had an interest in keeping slavery and segregation alive, and yet they were made illegal on the federal level.
      - moate 5y ago
        ...yes, and we had to fight a whole war about that. I cannot think of politically backlash stronger than "and then we went into Civil war about that topic, with the victors of the war settling the matter". What point are you intending to make? That individual states/industries do not have the political power to influence a discussion at the Federal level?
      - x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
        And because of that impending banning of slavery, the South decided to bolt, instead of wait for the westward expansion of non-slavery friendly states to be added to the government.
criddell 5y ago
Do arguments like this withstand any scrutiny? Recreational marijuana isn't some crazy idea anymore. Are families falling apart in states that have legalized pot?

encryptluks2 5y ago

Wow, they really want to keep the liquor, tobacco and pharmaceutical industry going as long as they can. There are a lot of professional workers that smoke marijuana, business owners, successful artists, etc. The devil's lettuce might not be for everyone, but how can these people be anti-vaccine mandate (pro-choice) while still trying to prevent marijuana legalization?

dqv 5y ago
My understanding, from knowing someone close to these political circles, is that there is a conflict between the religious faction and the individual-liberty faction. So whenever that gets resolved, we will see further movement on that front. >The devil's lettuce might not be for everyone It’s not for me. Neither is alcohol. Doesn’t mean I think it should be illegal. I don’t get why other people have this attitude about keeping things illegal simply because they don’t personally get enjoyment out of it.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  Other peoples's enjoyment has a tendency to stink up the place. I can smell some homes from the opposite side of a four lane road.
  - dqv 5y ago
    That’s not any different than loud cars or smelly food. The smell of barbecue smoke gives me a headache, but I don’t demand that we outlaw barbecue.
  - noitpmeder 5y ago
    How is this any different than someone smoking cigarettes, other than that we're more accustomed to exposure to second hand tobacco?
  - moate 5y ago
    Survivor bias: There are plenty of ways to consume pot that don't "stink up the place" (vaping, tinctures, and edibles among them) that are preferred by many. You're only smelling the weed from people smoking in specific ways. My brother-in-law's house smells like weed the second you step inside but is a perfectly unsmelly suburban home from the even the porch.
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  If the religious faction can get over the leaders they supporting lying and cheating all the time they can get over people smoking a plant.
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    They can cheat, lie and steal but as long as they ask for forgiveness they believe they are more pure than an honest pot smoker. I look forward to the day where most religions are classified as a mental illness. The fact that psychology has kind of made this exception makes me think the whole industry is pretty messed up.
  - moate 5y ago
    If only that's how psychology worked...
    - JaimeThompson 5y ago
      Well you aren't wrong. Sadly.
- refurb 5y ago
  “Politics is mathematics. Principles are worth having, but they don’t get you elected.”
throwawaymedia 5y ago
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- encryptluks2 5y ago
  > Does that mean cocaine should be legalized? Yes, I do believe it should or at least decriminalized. There is much more danger in illegal drug trade and a dysfunctional uneducated society. > There are tons of research papers on marijuana being harmful to your brain Not any recent ones unless you're talking about youth. There are studies that show marijuana can improve brain function and capacity. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-may-boost-rather-than-dull-the-elderly-brain https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-may-boo... > The smell of marijuana is the worst. It spreads like cancer and you can smell it blocks away It is relative. Pollution also smells bad and so does cigarette smoke. I don't understand this argument at all because there are different methods for consumption. How about we ban farms since they smell. > Uneducated people start from marijuana and then look for other "fun" things to smoke No they don't. You are just equating a bad personal experience and they stereotyping everyone based off it. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. However, people being poor and impoverished without adequate help and services often use drugs. I actually agree on the vaccine comments for the most part but think the rest has little evidence to support, unless you're talking about Reagan science and the D.A.R.E. propaganda about marijuana making your balls shrivel up. If you don't trust your government with mandates then maybe try reevaluating your perception on marijuana. Take a trip to Colorado and try it out if you don't have an underlying mental illness and if you turn into an asshole while you're high then you were most likely one beforehand.
  - throwawaymedia 5y ago
    > Yes, I do believe it should or at least decriminalized. There is much more danger in illegal drug trade and a dysfunctional uneducated society. Once again, similar to what I said to the other commenter. Fix the uneducated society first. There are much more uneducated weed smokers than educated ones. > Not any recent ones unless you're talking about youth. There are studies that show marijuana can improve brain function and capacity. Erm... I'm a HN reader for 8+ years. There are a handful number of research papers reach the front page several times a year. THC is able to alter the functioning of the hippocampus (see "Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus") and orbitofrontal cortex, brain areas that enable a person to form new memories and shift his or her attentional focus. As a result, using marijuana causes impaired thinking and interferes with a person’s ability to learn and perform complicated tasks. THC also disrupts functioning of the cerebellum and basal ganglia, brain areas that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. [0] Marijuana has been even linked to schizophrenia development [1]. Let's for sure legalize it. [0] https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana [1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2782160 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...
lotsofpulp 5y ago
> but how can these people be anti-vaccine mandate (pro-choice) The context of “pro choice” referring to abortion is not the same context as “pro choice” referring to vaccinations. Abortions do not affect anyone else, certainly not physically relative to the woman going through the pregnancy. Infectious diseases do affect everyone else. Using the term to equate the validity of the two positions is incorrect and misses the reasoning.
- criddell 5y ago
  The pro life people don't see any difference between a 4 month old fetus and a 4 month old baby. They are both lives worth protecting. If that's how you see the world, then an abortion certainly does affect somebody other than the woman.
lariati 5y ago
Why pick on the states at this point. It is utterly absurd there is not more a push to legalize at the Federal level.
- moate 5y ago
  Part of the lack of Federal push is because many individual states/industries have interests in it not happening. And one thing about the way the US has things set up, the States often function as the laboratories for social experiments. That's why you get things like Colorado being the first to legalize weed and Texas attempting to soft-ban abortion.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    "Part of the lack of Federal push is because many individual states/industries have interests in it not happening." Many individual states had an interest in keeping slavery and segregation alive, and yet they were made illegal on the federal level.
    - moate 5y ago
      ...yes, and we had to fight a whole war about that. I cannot think of politically backlash stronger than "and then we went into Civil war about that topic, with the victors of the war settling the matter". What point are you intending to make? That individual states/industries do not have the political power to influence a discussion at the Federal level?
    - x86_64Ubuntu 5y ago
      And because of that impending banning of slavery, the South decided to bolt, instead of wait for the westward expansion of non-slavery friendly states to be added to the government.

criddell 5y ago

Do arguments like this withstand any scrutiny? Recreational marijuana isn't some crazy idea anymore. Are families falling apart in states that have legalized pot?