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Musk is likable but im personally in no hurry to buy anything any of his especiialy his hyped up robot cars .. here's one almost killing a pedestrian (https://w

Musk is likable but im personally in no hurry to buy anything any of his especiialy his hyped up robot cars .. here's one almost killing a pedestrian (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnp0VChf1_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnp0VChf1_k) ... execute one algorithm to avoid car yet oops we forgot to program it executing additional ones in this situation .. let's ship out an update. Progress is going to be a killer! Starlink seems to be more hype too like his HyperLoop.

the_pwner224 5y ago
If anything Starlink is (along with SpaceX) the least hypey Musk project, it has some minor rough edges but seems to actually be doing a good job of fulfilling its goal. Comparing it to Hyperloop doesn't seem reasonable to me.
- shaklee3 5y ago
  starlink is possibly the most hyped on the financial side. there are virtually no scenarios where they can make money and still maintain the plans they have now. I know people will disagree, but we'll have to see in a few years.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  And it has to be remarked that Hyperloop was solely a concept Musk published to share it, as he personally had no plans of implementing it himself. The only other involvement of his with it is sponsoring a yearly event where universities can compete on a one-mile test track on the SpaceX site in Hawthorne.
mlindner 5y ago
That's got nothing to do with "robot cars". That's just a bad driver. Why are you trying to spread FUD? Even the video description is incorrect. > Note the driver blows the horn as he enters the intersection. He obviously cannot stop the car. Probable FSD or Autopilot crash. FSD/Autopilot does not stay on or prevent human interaction. Slamming on the brake turns it off, even assuming was on. This is a "unintended press of the accelerator pedal" type crash. Human error, and actually a good argument for why removing the human from the loop would be a good idea. > Starlink seems to be more hype too like his HyperLoop. Starlink is serving over 100,000 customers with good service all paying $100/month. Hardly hype.
- paul7986 5y ago
  Autopilot crash so your saying autopilot (aka robot driver/car) is at fault and yet I'm spreading FUD?
  - mlindner 5y ago
    It's not an autopilot crash. That's the FUD you're spreading.
- dotancohen 5y ago
  That video is amazing. Play it back at low speed, the airbags are fully deployed before the hood even begins to crumple. Additionally, we see just how a real human reacts to a real present danger: confusion. After identifying the threat the pedestrian instinctively runs into the path of the vehicle, just to run.
  - matt-attack 5y ago
    Yep and they’re fully deployed within one frame of this video.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  > FSD/Autopilot does not stay on or prevent human interaction. I'm not aware of Tesla specifics, but i've previously read several stories on HN of car computers who wouldn't let the driver be in control. As a computer person who has moderate understanding of mechanics/electronics, i believe unless you have a physical kill switch to take control back from the computer, there is literally no way software can be safe enough that even in a crash you can regain control. I mean apparently you've been around for a while on these forums. You're surely educated that software can never be trusted, especially with life-endangering situations.
  - mlindner 5y ago
    > I'm not aware of Tesla specifics, but i've previously read several stories on HN of car computers who wouldn't let the driver be in control. That can't happen. People misremember things when they're in a panicked state. Or they're exaggerating to defend themselves. The instant you even slightly tug on the wheel autopilot and autosteer of any kind will disengage and revert to a traffic aware cruise control state (with an audible chime). And any application of the brake disengages autopilot/autosteer and also automatic cruise control with an audible chime. > I mean apparently you've been around for a while on these forums. You're surely educated that software can never be trusted, especially with life-endangering situations. I'm not sure what you're saying. People aren't "trusting" it yet which is why it's easy to disengage and override.

the_pwner224 5y ago

If anything Starlink is (along with SpaceX) the least hypey Musk project, it has some minor rough edges but seems to actually be doing a good job of fulfilling its goal. Comparing it to Hyperloop doesn't seem reasonable to me.

shaklee3 5y ago
starlink is possibly the most hyped on the financial side. there are virtually no scenarios where they can make money and still maintain the plans they have now. I know people will disagree, but we'll have to see in a few years.
_ph_ 5y ago
And it has to be remarked that Hyperloop was solely a concept Musk published to share it, as he personally had no plans of implementing it himself. The only other involvement of his with it is sponsoring a yearly event where universities can compete on a one-mile test track on the SpaceX site in Hawthorne.

mlindner 5y ago

That's got nothing to do with "robot cars". That's just a bad driver. Why are you trying to spread FUD? Even the video description is incorrect. > Note the driver blows the horn as he enters the intersection. He obviously cannot stop the car. Probable FSD or Autopilot crash. FSD/Autopilot does not stay on or prevent human interaction. Slamming on the brake turns it off, even assuming was on. This is a "unintended press of the accelerator pedal" type crash. Human error, and actually a good argument for why removing the human from the loop would be a good idea. > Starlink seems to be more hype too like his HyperLoop. Starlink is serving over 100,000 customers with good service all paying $100/month. Hardly hype.

paul7986 5y ago
Autopilot crash so your saying autopilot (aka robot driver/car) is at fault and yet I'm spreading FUD?
- mlindner 5y ago
  It's not an autopilot crash. That's the FUD you're spreading.
dotancohen 5y ago
That video is amazing. Play it back at low speed, the airbags are fully deployed before the hood even begins to crumple. Additionally, we see just how a real human reacts to a real present danger: confusion. After identifying the threat the pedestrian instinctively runs into the path of the vehicle, just to run.
- matt-attack 5y ago
  Yep and they’re fully deployed within one frame of this video.
southerntofu 5y ago
> FSD/Autopilot does not stay on or prevent human interaction. I'm not aware of Tesla specifics, but i've previously read several stories on HN of car computers who wouldn't let the driver be in control. As a computer person who has moderate understanding of mechanics/electronics, i believe unless you have a physical kill switch to take control back from the computer, there is literally no way software can be safe enough that even in a crash you can regain control. I mean apparently you've been around for a while on these forums. You're surely educated that software can never be trusted, especially with life-endangering situations.
- mlindner 5y ago
  > I'm not aware of Tesla specifics, but i've previously read several stories on HN of car computers who wouldn't let the driver be in control. That can't happen. People misremember things when they're in a panicked state. Or they're exaggerating to defend themselves. The instant you even slightly tug on the wheel autopilot and autosteer of any kind will disengage and revert to a traffic aware cruise control state (with an audible chime). And any application of the brake disengages autopilot/autosteer and also automatic cruise control with an audible chime. > I mean apparently you've been around for a while on these forums. You're surely educated that software can never be trusted, especially with life-endangering situations. I'm not sure what you're saying. People aren't "trusting" it yet which is why it's easy to disengage and override.