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Yeah you're right. We're essentially entirely in agreement. However, we both see the way Israel [and America and others] are able to use what makes them victims
by skinnymuch 5y ago
Yeah you're right. We're essentially entirely in agreement. However, we both see the way Israel [and America and others] are able to use what makes them victims to their advantage. To the point where it is hard to parse through all the data and history of this century and not see it as Israel wants there to always be some one shooting [feeble] rockets into Israel.
I didn't cite the "cutting the grass" quote. My bad.
I don't want to pick a source that others will view as me being biased. I chose Daily Beast and News Week:
"The operative metaphor is often described as “cutting the grass,” meaning a task that must be performed regularly and has no end. There is no solution to security challenges, officials here say, only delays and deterrence....What is "cutting the grass" if not a metaphor for unending conflict?"
"Cutting the grass"—reducing or eliminating actual military threats as they emerge in real time—has been Israel's preferred method, and can be coupled with either of the two others."
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> I'm not endorsing that outcome, I'm just pointing out that when the US does it, it's considered de rigueur, but when Israel does it, it's considered barbaric.
> barbaric
Children keep getting killed :(.
I bring up Yemen quite a bit with recent Russia Ukraine talks. You are right, people quickly overlook things like that. I think that's general tribalist behavior. Not because of the US specifically.
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Is this true? The only downvoted comments or attacks I've had on Reddit, HN, IG, & Twitter have all been the few times I've discussed the Palestine conflict. There's only one other instance on Twitter where there was enough attacking on me that I had to step back, which was about local US socioeconomic politics. I'm not active on any social media so the sample size is not big or even moderate, but stretches for a decade.
I now never favorite/heart/star/bookmark any Palestinian or Israeli related content on any social media just as a rule of thumb. I had also made it a rule of thumb to never comment on it in public either. I forgot you can't delete HN comments after a short period of time.
I co-founded a non-profit, organically growing, camaraderie driven online co-working community. Politics is no place for a community like that, but one off or short discussions can happen. The only topic I can think of that I would never touch with a 10 foot pole in any capacity is Israel/Palestine.
AOC had to take back any thing she said about Israel. Ilhan Omar has been skewered so much by a large portion of people, even when Israeli and/or Jewish people defend her, it doesn't count or what have you. I heard of cutting the grass from Noam Chomsky who was citing it from the person who either coined it or coined it for middle eastern politics. It is not uncommon or strange these days that citing Chomsky's, who is Jewish, views on Israel/Palestine can be seen as indicative of being "anti-semitic". Which of course in my case is not true at all. As I've said, I support Israel and Israelis right to their current land. However this also shows why this is such a hard thing to ever bring up.