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Can you give examples? I see a lot of hype but no actuals. Becoming super productive in any language requires a lot more skills than just learning the syntax an

Can you give examples? I see a lot of hype but no actuals. Becoming super productive in any language requires a lot more skills than just learning the syntax and semantics of a language. So why do you think Lisp is different? It would help if you could point at real world projects that demonstrate your claims.

medo-bear 5y ago
i can't tell you because the *lisp-king-lizard* will come and eat me if i divulge secrets EDIT: see the problem i have with your post is its tone and refusal to read what i actually wrote. if you read it properly i am not saying anything different to what you seem to be saying: if you are a good programmer you can be productive in any language, including lisp. if you are a crappy programmer, knowing how to write lisp is not going to save you. knowing how to write lisp is trivial. even implementing some (minimal) dialect of lisp is not too difficult on the other hand, i think that repl-driven development that is available to many (all?) common lisp implementations is unmatched in any language, and i think that this is unique to common lisp. please see the post by mikelevins in this thread that details this process. i think this can be a great productivity booster for production as well as exploratory programming. in any event i enjoy it a lot
- mbrodersen 5y ago
  No need to risk that. Just impress us by telling us about the awesome software you have written with your 10x more productive language. I can’t wait. … crickets … Still waiting :)
  - reikonomusha 5y ago
    A video about Lisp being used for difficult commercial computational problems: https://youtu.be/f9vRcSAneiw https://youtu.be/f9vRcSAneiw
    - medo-bear 5y ago
      cheers mate! your work is killer btw :) go hard
  - medo-bear 5y ago
    ok i couldn't resist ... Lisp is written in Lisp :)
    - mbrodersen 5y ago
      And Emacs is written in C by the way :)
      - lispm 5y ago
        If you think about GNU Emacs, that one is written in C and Emacs Lisp. The original one was written in TECO. I'm using two other ones, which are written in Lisp.
        wglb 5y ago
        Ah TECO. I spent some seriously quality time writing compilers in Bliss 36 with TECO. I still have muscle memory of TECO.
    - deterministic 5y ago
      And C is written in C, and Haskell is written in Haskell etc. etc. :)
    - mbrodersen 5y ago
      The question is what you have written in Lisp. My guess is very little? Anything used in production anywhere? Go on. It's OK to brag a little :)
      - medo-bear 5y ago
        get well buddy :)
        mbrodersen 5y ago
        Ahhh so you have written zero production software in Lisp. As expected.

medo-bear 5y ago

i can't tell you because the *lisp-king-lizard* will come and eat me if i divulge secrets EDIT: see the problem i have with your post is its tone and refusal to read what i actually wrote. if you read it properly i am not saying anything different to what you seem to be saying: if you are a good programmer you can be productive in any language, including lisp. if you are a crappy programmer, knowing how to write lisp is not going to save you. knowing how to write lisp is trivial. even implementing some (minimal) dialect of lisp is not too difficult on the other hand, i think that repl-driven development that is available to many (all?) common lisp implementations is unmatched in any language, and i think that this is unique to common lisp. please see the post by mikelevins in this thread that details this process. i think this can be a great productivity booster for production as well as exploratory programming. in any event i enjoy it a lot

mbrodersen 5y ago
No need to risk that. Just impress us by telling us about the awesome software you have written with your 10x more productive language. I can’t wait. … crickets … Still waiting :)
- reikonomusha 5y ago
  A video about Lisp being used for difficult commercial computational problems: https://youtu.be/f9vRcSAneiw https://youtu.be/f9vRcSAneiw
  - medo-bear 5y ago
    cheers mate! your work is killer btw :) go hard
- medo-bear 5y ago
  ok i couldn't resist ... Lisp is written in Lisp :)
  - mbrodersen 5y ago
    And Emacs is written in C by the way :)
    - lispm 5y ago
      If you think about GNU Emacs, that one is written in C and Emacs Lisp. The original one was written in TECO. I'm using two other ones, which are written in Lisp.
      - wglb 5y ago
        Ah TECO. I spent some seriously quality time writing compilers in Bliss 36 with TECO. I still have muscle memory of TECO.
  - deterministic 5y ago
    And C is written in C, and Haskell is written in Haskell etc. etc. :)
  - mbrodersen 5y ago
    The question is what you have written in Lisp. My guess is very little? Anything used in production anywhere? Go on. It's OK to brag a little :)
    - medo-bear 5y ago
      get well buddy :)
      - mbrodersen 5y ago
        Ahhh so you have written zero production software in Lisp. As expected.