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Everyone ought to be obsessed with censorship. Allow creators to express themselves as they see fit, and to quote the late great Paul Mooney, "It offends peopl

Everyone ought to be obsessed with censorship. Allow creators to express themselves as they see fit, and to quote the late great Paul Mooney, "It offends people, but good... they should be offended."

solarmist 5y ago
I get your point, but I'm also not obsessed and railing against shitty translations. To me this example is much more closely aligned with bad localization than actual censorship.
astrange 5y ago
When you rewrite a joke because it's not funny in a different language, and the original writers approve, that's not actually censorship but they complain anyway. More to the point, when you rewrite a romance game for women because what Japanese people think is sexy reads like being molested to Americans it does serve the creators' desires, which is for people to actually buy their products. (The games getting blocked entirely are censoring the original creators, but also the original creators are pedophiles, so that's their problem.)
- autoexec 5y ago
  > When you rewrite a joke because it's not funny in a different language, and the original writers approve, that's not actually censorship but they complain anyway. humor can be legitimately difficult to translate. I don't complain about them and I don't expect them left as literal translations + editor's notes to explain them in games (although that's a great option for other mediums). The goal should always be to stay as true to the original as possible. > it does serve the creators' desires, which is for people to actually buy their products. That might be one of the most cynical views of art I've read in a good while. I think most creative people want their works to be seen and understood and are doing it for much more than just a paycheck. Ultimately, everyone does hope their games are successful and they want to be able to make a living, but I don't think many writers and artists would put money as their top priority. If all you want is to be rich, there are a million better career choices.
  - astrange 5y ago
    A romance novel isn't pure self-expression, it has mechanical parts that have to work - like porn (actually, it is a kind of porn.) If it's not romantic, it's not a romance novel, and it doesn't matter what the author meant.

Everyone ought to be obsessed with censorship. Allow creators to express themselves as they see fit, and to quote the late great Paul Mooney, "It offends people, but good... they should be offended."

solarmist 5y ago

I get your point, but I'm also not obsessed and railing against shitty translations. To me this example is much more closely aligned with bad localization than actual censorship.

astrange 5y ago

When you rewrite a joke because it's not funny in a different language, and the original writers approve, that's not actually censorship but they complain anyway. More to the point, when you rewrite a romance game for women because what Japanese people think is sexy reads like being molested to Americans it does serve the creators' desires, which is for people to actually buy their products. (The games getting blocked entirely are censoring the original creators, but also the original creators are pedophiles, so that's their problem.)

autoexec 5y ago
> When you rewrite a joke because it's not funny in a different language, and the original writers approve, that's not actually censorship but they complain anyway. humor can be legitimately difficult to translate. I don't complain about them and I don't expect them left as literal translations + editor's notes to explain them in games (although that's a great option for other mediums). The goal should always be to stay as true to the original as possible. > it does serve the creators' desires, which is for people to actually buy their products. That might be one of the most cynical views of art I've read in a good while. I think most creative people want their works to be seen and understood and are doing it for much more than just a paycheck. Ultimately, everyone does hope their games are successful and they want to be able to make a living, but I don't think many writers and artists would put money as their top priority. If all you want is to be rich, there are a million better career choices.
- astrange 5y ago
  A romance novel isn't pure self-expression, it has mechanical parts that have to work - like porn (actually, it is a kind of porn.) If it's not romantic, it's not a romance novel, and it doesn't matter what the author meant.