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Sure but think about if a particular setting is used by 0.1% of the user base but takes up 5% of the real estate and confuses the 99.9% of users that have no id

Sure but think about if a particular setting is used by 0.1% of the user base but takes up 5% of the real estate and confuses the 99.9% of users that have no idea what it is and no intention of ever using it.

Underphil 5y ago
But that 0.1% may actually need that setting for the product to work for them. By all means hide the settings, but don't remove them entirely. A lot of evidence seems to support advanced users having a proclivity toward tweaking, so something like about:config in the browser seems to work fine (as an example).
SrslyJosh 5y ago
Here's what you said, minus the arbitrary numbers: > Sure but think about if a particular setting is used by a minority of the user base but takes up some of the real estate and confuses the majority of users that have no idea what it is and no intention of ever using it. Now that we've removed the arbitrary numbers... ;-) If the way setting is presented is confusing, then that is the problem that needs to be fixed. Remove the confusion, maybe make it less prominent in the UI, but taking away the setting doesn't actually solve the problem, it just breaks the product for the users who need it.
- zepolen 5y ago
  No, the numbers do matter, your modification doesn't. > Sure but think about if a particular setting is used by a 49.9% of the user base but takes up 0.01% of the real estate and confuses 50.1% of users that have no idea what it is and no intention of ever using it. ;-)
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    > No, the numbers do matter, your modification doesn't. No they don't and yes it does. The solution to your new contrived-numbers problem is the same as the GP's to the cleaned-up numberless one: Fix the actual problem in stead of focusing on meaningless made-up numbers.
    - zepolen 5y ago
      The problem is that some idiots think that 50.00001% is the same as 99.99999%, there's no fixing that.
xg15 5y ago
In addition to the other posts, you also don't know it's really 0.1%. Users may have disabled telemetry - and often, those are specifically the power users that are making the most use of customisation. > but takes up 5% of the real estate How would you even manage to do that? Menus are a thing. A setting might as well be hidden in a dialog somewhere if it's reasonably clear how do get to it (e.g. through a well thought-out menu or dialog structure). Not everything has to be explained through random popup messages that show up at the worst possible time.
BeFlatXIII 5y ago
It turns out you’re in the 0.1% of users and do not care at all about the 99.9%. Now what?
kbelder 5y ago
Everybody is in some 0.1% slice or another.

Underphil 5y ago

But that 0.1% may actually need that setting for the product to work for them. By all means hide the settings, but don't remove them entirely. A lot of evidence seems to support advanced users having a proclivity toward tweaking, so something like about:config in the browser seems to work fine (as an example).

SrslyJosh 5y ago

Here's what you said, minus the arbitrary numbers: > Sure but think about if a particular setting is used by a minority of the user base but takes up some of the real estate and confuses the majority of users that have no idea what it is and no intention of ever using it. Now that we've removed the arbitrary numbers... ;-) If the way setting is presented is confusing, then that is the problem that needs to be fixed. Remove the confusion, maybe make it less prominent in the UI, but taking away the setting doesn't actually solve the problem, it just breaks the product for the users who need it.

zepolen 5y ago
No, the numbers do matter, your modification doesn't. > Sure but think about if a particular setting is used by a 49.9% of the user base but takes up 0.01% of the real estate and confuses 50.1% of users that have no idea what it is and no intention of ever using it. ;-)
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > No, the numbers do matter, your modification doesn't. No they don't and yes it does. The solution to your new contrived-numbers problem is the same as the GP's to the cleaned-up numberless one: Fix the actual problem in stead of focusing on meaningless made-up numbers.
  - zepolen 5y ago
    The problem is that some idiots think that 50.00001% is the same as 99.99999%, there's no fixing that.

xg15 5y ago

In addition to the other posts, you also don't know it's really 0.1%. Users may have disabled telemetry - and often, those are specifically the power users that are making the most use of customisation. > but takes up 5% of the real estate How would you even manage to do that? Menus are a thing. A setting might as well be hidden in a dialog somewhere if it's reasonably clear how do get to it (e.g. through a well thought-out menu or dialog structure). Not everything has to be explained through random popup messages that show up at the worst possible time.

BeFlatXIII 5y ago

It turns out you’re in the 0.1% of users and do not care at all about the 99.9%. Now what?

kbelder 5y ago

Everybody is in some 0.1% slice or another.