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> North Korea is in the state of war with the United States I'm not sure where this comes from, but you're now the second person I see on HN to say this (https

> North Korea is in the state of war with the United States I'm not sure where this comes from, but you're now the second person I see on HN to say this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29896969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29896969). Is this "common knowledge" in the US or something? Here is what I said the last time: >> The US and KP are technically still at war (the Korean war stopped with a cease fire, not a treaty) and the US and its allies levy sanctions on them that hurt. > Technically, I don't think the US and North Korea ever been at war. South Korea and North Korea are technically still at war though, as they signed the treaty with each other, not the US.

mlyle 5y ago
None of the US wars since WWII have been formally declared wars. They're still wars. The conflict with North Korea ended with an armistice, not a formal treaty. The armistice intended for peace treaty discussions to start 3 months later... and they never really did. The US, UN Command, and North Korea are still operating under a temporary cease-fire that's now basically 70 years old. (I don't think South Korea even signed the armistice).
- wongarsu 5y ago
  If you're technically not at war then you can't at the same time be technically still at war. Neither side declared war against the other or is currently acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war.
  - tomphoolery 5y ago
    Tell that to the North Koreans :P
    - mrbald 5y ago
      Looks like every man and his dog is an expert on North Koreans. Did it occur to you that most citizen there are hostages of the own state and may be fighting hard to get a piece of bread on the table? I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind.
      - jerrysievert 5y ago
        > I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind. somehow, I don't think that those are the people that are being targeted. it's the "elite" who actually have internet access, and can also eat. those who make the decisions, and those who are friends of those who make the decisions would be the ones affected by the internet being down, not those who can barely eat and obviously don't have internet access.
      - emodendroket 5y ago
        So then you're the expert on North Koreans' lives I suppose. Unlike the other fakers who are saying things you dislike.
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  - irjustin 5y ago
    They are technically at war[0]. > acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war It matters legally that you are technically at war even if you aren't acting like it. It allows the specific wartime actions. South Korea this matters and the UN as well. North Korea is actively sanctioned as a result of not being at peace. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_conflict#Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_conflict#Korea
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  - nsxwolf 5y ago
    I would add to the “at war” column: the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) grants membership to any US service members who have been stationed in South Korea.
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judge2020 5y ago
2016: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKCN0VU0XE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKC... > The United States rejected a North Korean proposal to discuss a peace treaty to formally end the Korean War because it did not address denuclearization on the peninsula, the State Department said on Sunday. 2018: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/asia/korean-summit-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/asia/korean-summit-intl/index... > Then they signed the Panmunjom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification on the Korean Peninsula, which commits the two countries to denuclearization and talks to bring a formal end to conflict. It was a startling conclusion to the first meeting between leaders of the two countries in 10 years. 2021: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korean-leader-repeats-call-declaration-end-korean-war-2021-09-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korean-lead... > "I once again urge the community of nations to mobilize its strengths for the end-of-war declaration on the Korean Peninsula," Moon said in a speech to the annual gathering of the world body.
emodendroket 5y ago
And who signed the armistice agreement that "ended" the war? If you are wondering why this is "common knowledge" in the US it might be because just a few years ago there were questions about whether this state of affairs should be changed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/02/27/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-vietnam-summit-end-korean-war-column/2990980002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/02/27/donald-tru...

mlyle 5y ago

None of the US wars since WWII have been formally declared wars. They're still wars. The conflict with North Korea ended with an armistice, not a formal treaty. The armistice intended for peace treaty discussions to start 3 months later... and they never really did. The US, UN Command, and North Korea are still operating under a temporary cease-fire that's now basically 70 years old. (I don't think South Korea even signed the armistice).

wongarsu 5y ago
If you're technically not at war then you can't at the same time be technically still at war. Neither side declared war against the other or is currently acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war.
- tomphoolery 5y ago
  Tell that to the North Koreans :P
  - mrbald 5y ago
    Looks like every man and his dog is an expert on North Koreans. Did it occur to you that most citizen there are hostages of the own state and may be fighting hard to get a piece of bread on the table? I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind.
    - jerrysievert 5y ago
      > I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind. somehow, I don't think that those are the people that are being targeted. it's the "elite" who actually have internet access, and can also eat. those who make the decisions, and those who are friends of those who make the decisions would be the ones affected by the internet being down, not those who can barely eat and obviously don't have internet access.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      So then you're the expert on North Koreans' lives I suppose. Unlike the other fakers who are saying things you dislike.
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- irjustin 5y ago
  They are technically at war[0]. > acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war It matters legally that you are technically at war even if you aren't acting like it. It allows the specific wartime actions. South Korea this matters and the UN as well. North Korea is actively sanctioned as a result of not being at peace. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_conflict#Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_conflict#Korea
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- nsxwolf 5y ago
  I would add to the “at war” column: the VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) grants membership to any US service members who have been stationed in South Korea.
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judge2020 5y ago

2016: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKCN0VU0XE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKC... > The United States rejected a North Korean proposal to discuss a peace treaty to formally end the Korean War because it did not address denuclearization on the peninsula, the State Department said on Sunday. 2018: https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/asia/korean-summit-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/asia/korean-summit-intl/index... > Then they signed the Panmunjom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification on the Korean Peninsula, which commits the two countries to denuclearization and talks to bring a formal end to conflict. It was a startling conclusion to the first meeting between leaders of the two countries in 10 years. 2021: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korean-leader-repeats-call-declaration-end-korean-war-2021-09-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korean-lead... > "I once again urge the community of nations to mobilize its strengths for the end-of-war declaration on the Korean Peninsula," Moon said in a speech to the annual gathering of the world body.

emodendroket 5y ago

And who signed the armistice agreement that "ended" the war? If you are wondering why this is "common knowledge" in the US it might be because just a few years ago there were questions about whether this state of affairs should be changed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/02/27/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-vietnam-summit-end-korean-war-column/2990980002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/02/27/donald-tru...