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How about the predominately male ownership of teslas causing higher accident rates. I see the paper adjusts for age and road type but missing gender is a pretty

by yrral 5y ago

How about the predominately male ownership of teslas causing higher accident rates. I see the paper adjusts for age and road type but missing gender is a pretty big slip-up? I didn't read the paper fully but grepped for "gender" and "sex" and couldn't find anything.

gnicholas 5y ago
Good question! According to one study in LA, [1] men cause 60% of accidents. I do wonder, however, the extent to which this gap fades with age. Given that most Tesla owners are not super young, it might not make as much of a difference as the 60% number (assuming it is nationally representative) would indicate. 1: https://xtown.la/2019/12/12/women-drivers-maybe-we-need-more-of-them/ https://xtown.la/2019/12/12/women-drivers-maybe-we-need-more...
- yrral 5y ago
  Note when looking at 40% vs 60% of accidents (assuming males and females drive the same amount) the % difference seems small, only 20%, but actually this means males cause 50% more accidents than females do (60/40=1.5).
  - user123abc 5y ago
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  - nlowell 5y ago
    I don't know if we can assume males and females drive the same amount.
- user123abc 5y ago
  Men also drive 63% more miles than women. https://www.carinsurance.com/Articles/average-miles-driven-per-year-by-state.aspx https://www.carinsurance.com/Articles/average-miles-driven-p...
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  Keep in mind that men drive 16,500 miles per year on average, while women drive 10,100 miles. There is a noticeable gender gap in "accidents per year", but not in "accidents per mile". The paper compares accidents per mile, so there should be little gender effect in the results. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm
hervature 5y ago
Don't forget to adjust for the 50% greater distance driven by men [1]. In reality, per mile drive, the difference in genders is negligible and maybe even counter to what most people believe. Of course though, men will pay more in insurance because driving is inherently dangerous and driving that much more frequently is problematic. [1] - https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm
- akira2501 5y ago
  Men are also more likely to drive drunk, under the influence and are more likely to buy a car with more than 250hp. There's a _lot_ of confounding variables when examining crashes.

by yrral 5y ago

gnicholas 5y ago

Good question! According to one study in LA, [1] men cause 60% of accidents. I do wonder, however, the extent to which this gap fades with age. Given that most Tesla owners are not super young, it might not make as much of a difference as the 60% number (assuming it is nationally representative) would indicate. 1: https://xtown.la/2019/12/12/women-drivers-maybe-we-need-more-of-them/ https://xtown.la/2019/12/12/women-drivers-maybe-we-need-more...

yrral 5y ago
Note when looking at 40% vs 60% of accidents (assuming males and females drive the same amount) the % difference seems small, only 20%, but actually this means males cause 50% more accidents than females do (60/40=1.5).
- user123abc 5y ago
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- nlowell 5y ago
  I don't know if we can assume males and females drive the same amount.
user123abc 5y ago
Men also drive 63% more miles than women. https://www.carinsurance.com/Articles/average-miles-driven-per-year-by-state.aspx https://www.carinsurance.com/Articles/average-miles-driven-p...
smnrchrds 5y ago
Keep in mind that men drive 16,500 miles per year on average, while women drive 10,100 miles. There is a noticeable gender gap in "accidents per year", but not in "accidents per mile". The paper compares accidents per mile, so there should be little gender effect in the results. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm

hervature 5y ago

Don't forget to adjust for the 50% greater distance driven by men [1]. In reality, per mile drive, the difference in genders is negligible and maybe even counter to what most people believe. Of course though, men will pay more in insurance because driving is inherently dangerous and driving that much more frequently is problematic. [1] - https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm

akira2501 5y ago
Men are also more likely to drive drunk, under the influence and are more likely to buy a car with more than 250hp. There's a _lot_ of confounding variables when examining crashes.