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At this point that's kind of what COVID feels like - nothing we tried really worked except one thing: vaccinations mean you don't get sick/die. Everything else
by zwieback 5y ago
At this point that's kind of what COVID feels like - nothing we tried really worked except one thing: vaccinations mean you don't get sick/die. Everything else is super muddy.
What about contact tracing? We're figuring out that masks, lockdowns, hygiene, etc. don't have that much of an effect. But where do people get COVID, shouldn't we have pretty good data on that now? It seems like a few superspreader events have a lot to do with it but that's the only anecdote that stuck with me.
- sjg007 5y ago>masks, lockdowns, hygiene, etc. don't have that much of an effect. Clearly you haven't looked at the death rates in Japan or Australia.
- zwieback 5y agoSure, some countries are doing better but why? That's what the article is asking, is it because Japan/Australia's citizens are better behaved, something else? That's the question behind the obvious but wrong conclusion "good country A is doing X this so X must be good"
- sjg007 5y agoIt's b/c of lockdowns, masks and vaccines. In China you have authoritarian enforcement. Australia is less so but still you had businesses actually locked down. In that set you have 3 different "cultures" already. Plenty of controls.
- javagram 5y agoAustralia’s biggest success was controlling the virus at the border, also. They spent large parts of the pandemic without ever locking down, and when there were lock downs after early 2020, it was localized to a specific city or state where the virus had escaped containment rather than the whole country (sometimes people seem to not realize this). There was never really an analogous situation in the USA since we maintained open borders to the virus (US citizens were allowed to come back from Europe even after the travel ban in March 2020, seeding the virus across the country.)
- sjg007 5y agoThis is defacto not true.