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The wealth gap in Singapore is immense as well, but they have different (and derogatory) terminology to refer to it. For example, the city is built by immigran

by jb1991 5y ago

The wealth gap in Singapore is immense as well, but they have different (and derogatory) terminology to refer to it. For example, the city is built by immigrant workers often from Bangladesh. You should see the living conditions they are forced to endure. It's shameful. During Covid, they don't even refer to these hard-working people as being members of the community, and they segregated the Covid case counts by those who were and were not a part of society, in their eyes.

riantogo 5y ago
Wealth gap list here. Sort by 2019 Gini. You will find US at the worse end of the spectrum (#4) and Singapore is at #64: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_in...
- jb1991 5y ago
  Not sure you read all my comment, but Singapore explicitly excludes many of its residents in its worst living conditions from official tallies.
  - riantogo 5y ago
    How much of an impact would you say it has on the index? If it were normalized for “citizens only” do you really think US will fare much better? If your larger point is about treatment of immigrants, how do you feel about US taxing its immigrants as citizens after 1 yr of stay, but putting them on a line to actual citizenship that could be more than multiple lifetimes long? Didn’t we fight a war about “taxation without representation”? I’m not even talking about literally tearing apart poor immigrant families while all along extracting taxes from them.
    - jb1991 5y ago
      You seem to be talking about a lot of different things that are not a coherent part of this discussion. But taking one point: > line to actual citizenship that could be more than multiple lifetimes long I'm not sure what you are referring to: almost every immigrant I know in the U.S. who wanted to pursue citizenship got it after at most 7 years in the country, sometimes less. That's a normal time range for most Western countries. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/guides/chapter4.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/guides/ch...
      - riantogo 5y ago
        It only appears incoherent because you might have conflated two issues in your response (wealth gap and plight of immigrants). Not saying you did it intentionally. Regarding immigrants, you need to meet more of them to get a better idea. The situation in US is much worse than most western countries. I encourage you to read up on why it is such a massive political issue (Obama's attempted reforms and executive orders, Dreamers, Path to citizenship etc.). Here is one example: https://www.cato.org/blog/150-year-wait-indian-immigrants-advanced-degrees https://www.cato.org/blog/150-year-wait-indian-immigrants-ad...
    - refurb 5y ago
      Half of Singapore's population are foreign workers. I'd say excluding them from a Gini calculation has a massive impact.
  - radicaldreamer 5y ago
    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/hidden-slums-singapore-revealed-021739643.html https://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/hidden-slums-...

by jb1991 5y ago

riantogo 5y ago

Wealth gap list here. Sort by 2019 Gini. You will find US at the worse end of the spectrum (#4) and Singapore is at #64: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_in...

jb1991 5y ago
Not sure you read all my comment, but Singapore explicitly excludes many of its residents in its worst living conditions from official tallies.
- riantogo 5y ago
  How much of an impact would you say it has on the index? If it were normalized for “citizens only” do you really think US will fare much better? If your larger point is about treatment of immigrants, how do you feel about US taxing its immigrants as citizens after 1 yr of stay, but putting them on a line to actual citizenship that could be more than multiple lifetimes long? Didn’t we fight a war about “taxation without representation”? I’m not even talking about literally tearing apart poor immigrant families while all along extracting taxes from them.
  - jb1991 5y ago
    You seem to be talking about a lot of different things that are not a coherent part of this discussion. But taking one point: > line to actual citizenship that could be more than multiple lifetimes long I'm not sure what you are referring to: almost every immigrant I know in the U.S. who wanted to pursue citizenship got it after at most 7 years in the country, sometimes less. That's a normal time range for most Western countries. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/guides/chapter4.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/guides/ch...
    - riantogo 5y ago
      It only appears incoherent because you might have conflated two issues in your response (wealth gap and plight of immigrants). Not saying you did it intentionally. Regarding immigrants, you need to meet more of them to get a better idea. The situation in US is much worse than most western countries. I encourage you to read up on why it is such a massive political issue (Obama's attempted reforms and executive orders, Dreamers, Path to citizenship etc.). Here is one example: https://www.cato.org/blog/150-year-wait-indian-immigrants-advanced-degrees https://www.cato.org/blog/150-year-wait-indian-immigrants-ad...
  - refurb 5y ago
    Half of Singapore's population are foreign workers. I'd say excluding them from a Gini calculation has a massive impact.
- radicaldreamer 5y ago
  https://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/hidden-slums-singapore-revealed-021739643.html https://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/hidden-slums-...