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The "stop sign thing" was only when you had FSD set to assertive mode, were already traveling under 5.6 mph, no pedestrians were present, no other cars were tak

The "stop sign thing" was only when you had FSD set to assertive mode, were already traveling under 5.6 mph, no pedestrians were present, no other cars were taking the right of way, and the intersection's speed limit was < 30 mph. There was no actual risk involved, and it was removed immediately with an OTA update.

soperj 5y ago
>There was no actual risk involved, and it was removed immediately with an OTA update. Then why are they recalling them?
- letitbeirie 5y ago
  > A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
- junipertea 5y ago
  Because they are forced by NHTSA. I fully condone that btw.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
  They're not recalling them in the traditional sense. Tesla is not taking your car. They're just sending an OTA update that disables the behavior.
stusmall 5y ago
"no pedestrians were present" Should we trust their software enough to accept that it can accurately make that judgement? It's a really hard problem and they are struggling enough with the fundamentals. I don't think their software is actually at the point where they can make that assertion with any believable certainty.
TheCoelacanth 5y ago
It's going through stop signs without stopping. That is a risk. Stop signs exist for a reason.
jjav 5y ago
> no pedestrians were present No pedestrians detected, which is very different. See e.g. the video of Tesla running over a child (mannequin, fortunately): https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1478802681141645322?s=21 https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1478802681141645322?s=...

soperj 5y ago

>There was no actual risk involved, and it was removed immediately with an OTA update. Then why are they recalling them?

letitbeirie 5y ago
> A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
junipertea 5y ago
Because they are forced by NHTSA. I fully condone that btw.
Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
They're not recalling them in the traditional sense. Tesla is not taking your car. They're just sending an OTA update that disables the behavior.

stusmall 5y ago

"no pedestrians were present" Should we trust their software enough to accept that it can accurately make that judgement? It's a really hard problem and they are struggling enough with the fundamentals. I don't think their software is actually at the point where they can make that assertion with any believable certainty.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago

It's going through stop signs without stopping. That is a risk. Stop signs exist for a reason.

jjav 5y ago

> no pedestrians were present No pedestrians detected, which is very different. See e.g. the video of Tesla running over a child (mannequin, fortunately): https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1478802681141645322?s=21 https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1478802681141645322?s=...