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So Tesla is supposed to mimic bad driving of bad drivers? Whatever happened to the promised Age of Road Safety, brought about by smart AI whose ability to make

So Tesla is supposed to mimic bad driving of bad drivers? Whatever happened to the promised Age of Road Safety, brought about by smart AI whose ability to make decisions is so much better than the useless chunks of meat menacing our roads today? >How many people are going to get rear ended because every Tesla stops at a stop sign now? So bad drivers roll through stop signs, and this behaviour is somehow at equilibrium with terrible drivers who follow too closely and are thus perpetually on the verge of rear-ending someone? Best not upset this equilibrium, it clearly works so well! >It's the same with following the speed limit on roads where everyone speeds. Of course it is. Can't wait for speeding self-driving cars taking out cyclists or pedestrians. Whaddaya want from me, I put it in 'hurry mode' because I've got places to be! >Nobody is going to like self driving cars if they're going 25 on a road where everyone goes 40, where the speed limit should clearly be adjusted. The accidents that occur from drivers not being able to stop for a slow car in time, drivers getting annoyed and attempting to overtake, or drivers causing road rage incidents will dwarf whatever crash rate you'd get by just letting the car go faster. Speeders that endanger lives of everyone not currently inside a car, now embedded in an efficient algorithm. Whatever could go wrong? My North American barely liveable city is gonna be so much better for it!

nexuist 5y ago
Tesla is supposed to mimic human driving so its cars are predictable to other human drivers. What's the point of driving safely if it gets you in an accident? > Speeders that endanger lives of everyone not currently inside a car, now embedded in an efficient algorithm Maybe pedestrians should be voting to improve public transportation instead of trying to walk in roads clearly not meant for pedestrians. Has nobody heard of trains or buses? How is it a solution to make every car go 25 mph just in case some random person decides to jaywalk?
- kspacewalk2 5y ago
  >Tesla is supposed to mimic human driving so its cars are predictable to other human drivers. Great! I don't roll or blow through stops, follow too closely or speed by more than 5 kmh within city limits. I drive carefully and defensively, avoiding dangerous manoeuvres, especially when a driver close to me seems erratic (for example, blows through a stop sign, speeds or follows too closely). Tesla should mimic my driving. Pedestrians should be voting to improve public transportation in addition to improving walkability of their neighbourhoods, not instead of that. >How is it a solution to make every car go 25 mph just in case some random person decides to jaywalk? In my Canadian province, crossing mid-block is perfectly legal as long as you yield to traffic, and 'jaywalking' is not a legal concept. Slowing cars down is safer not just because it reduces the likelihood and severity of hitting pedestrians when they cross incorrectly. It is also safer because it reduces the likelihood and severity of hitting pedestrians when they cross correctly, or walk on a sidewalk. It is also safer because it reduces the likelihood and severity of hitting cyclists and other cars. Highways should be designed for speed, whereas streets should be designed for safety at the expense of speed. Besides, when a city gets above a certain size and is not missing traffic lights where they should be, speeding within city limits is often quite a futile endeavour. I can't tell you how many times I see drivers who go 70 in a 50 kmh zone zoom past me, just to be waiting at the next light, or the one after that as I pull up after going 55 kmh the whole way. I won't lie, it can be amusing. If self-driving cars just emulate the stupid, dangerous and illogical habits of human drivers, then to hell with self-driving cars, and you can bet I'll be voting for that.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  > Tesla is supposed to mimic human driving so its cars are predictable to other human drivers. What's the point of driving safely if it gets you in an accident? Weird, Musk is always talking about how FSD is far better than human driving, and far safer. He's never once said "it's trying to mimic humans", or that it's "much safer unless that might cause an accident, and only then will it drive unsafely (like rolling through stop signs)". This sounds like post-facto rationalization to me.

nexuist 5y ago

Tesla is supposed to mimic human driving so its cars are predictable to other human drivers. What's the point of driving safely if it gets you in an accident? > Speeders that endanger lives of everyone not currently inside a car, now embedded in an efficient algorithm Maybe pedestrians should be voting to improve public transportation instead of trying to walk in roads clearly not meant for pedestrians. Has nobody heard of trains or buses? How is it a solution to make every car go 25 mph just in case some random person decides to jaywalk?

kspacewalk2 5y ago
>Tesla is supposed to mimic human driving so its cars are predictable to other human drivers. Great! I don't roll or blow through stops, follow too closely or speed by more than 5 kmh within city limits. I drive carefully and defensively, avoiding dangerous manoeuvres, especially when a driver close to me seems erratic (for example, blows through a stop sign, speeds or follows too closely). Tesla should mimic my driving. Pedestrians should be voting to improve public transportation in addition to improving walkability of their neighbourhoods, not instead of that. >How is it a solution to make every car go 25 mph just in case some random person decides to jaywalk? In my Canadian province, crossing mid-block is perfectly legal as long as you yield to traffic, and 'jaywalking' is not a legal concept. Slowing cars down is safer not just because it reduces the likelihood and severity of hitting pedestrians when they cross incorrectly. It is also safer because it reduces the likelihood and severity of hitting pedestrians when they cross correctly, or walk on a sidewalk. It is also safer because it reduces the likelihood and severity of hitting cyclists and other cars. Highways should be designed for speed, whereas streets should be designed for safety at the expense of speed. Besides, when a city gets above a certain size and is not missing traffic lights where they should be, speeding within city limits is often quite a futile endeavour. I can't tell you how many times I see drivers who go 70 in a 50 kmh zone zoom past me, just to be waiting at the next light, or the one after that as I pull up after going 55 kmh the whole way. I won't lie, it can be amusing. If self-driving cars just emulate the stupid, dangerous and illogical habits of human drivers, then to hell with self-driving cars, and you can bet I'll be voting for that.
FireBeyond 5y ago
> Tesla is supposed to mimic human driving so its cars are predictable to other human drivers. What's the point of driving safely if it gets you in an accident? Weird, Musk is always talking about how FSD is far better than human driving, and far safer. He's never once said "it's trying to mimic humans", or that it's "much safer unless that might cause an accident, and only then will it drive unsafely (like rolling through stop signs)". This sounds like post-facto rationalization to me.