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1. We’re talking about people who have already switched it off. 2. There is no need for any tracking to implement this. It can be done on the client.

by zepto 5y ago

joshuamorton 5y ago
> 1. We’re talking about people who have already switched it off. No, we're talking about accounts who already had it (as part of broader setting) disabled for them, in a context where the data in question can (contractually) only be used to provide the service anyhow. > 2. There is no need for any tracking to implement this. It can be done on the client. Pray tell me how you can do client side search history recommendation for the first query I make after logging in.
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  Easy, just store your search history in a Blockchain and pull it down every time you log in.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    Why a blockchain? Or is this sarcasm?
- zepto 5y ago
  > No, we're talking about accounts who already had it (as part of broader setting) disabled for them, in a context where the data in question can (contractually) only be used to provide the service anyhow. That doesn’t contradict that it was switched off intentionally. > Pray tell me how you can do client side search history recommendation for the first query I make after logging in. Logging in to what? Are you saying you want your search history synced between your browsers? If so, that’s a solved problem that doesn’t require Google to track you.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    The search history in this context is Gmail and drive in app search history. This has absolutely nothing to do with your browser.
    - zepto 5y ago
      Then it’s a trivial feature that you can simply ask people if they want to enable rather than opting them in when they opted out.
      - joshuamorton 5y ago
        The users in question never opted out, their domain admins opted out of a different feature. And the corollary equally applies: it's a trivial feature with no privacy impact, why require opt-in. I don't want to be spammed with opt-ins every time every app I use adds a trivial new feature. I'd be clicking a dozen boxes a day.
        zepto 5y ago
        It does have a privacy impact.
        joshuamorton 5y ago
        In what way? Keep in mind all the user data collected is still under the workspace data use agreement which is very strict and disallows using the data for pretty much anything that isn't directly providing that service to that user/organization.
jcranberry 5y ago
1. For non paid users, it isn't turned back on. But it is turned on if you're a paying user. In these cases it's never the user who switched it off, it was the admin, so since the control is being shifted from admin to user (admin can no longer turn it off for users of workspace apps) its kind of like a brand new setting for them. 2. True but it's somewhat useful to be able to use your account on different devices and retain your history.

1. We’re talking about people who have already switched it off. 2. There is no need for any tracking to implement this. It can be done on the client.

by zepto 5y ago

1. We’re talking about people who have already switched it off. 2. There is no need for any tracking to implement this. It can be done on the client.

joshuamorton 5y ago

> 1. We’re talking about people who have already switched it off. No, we're talking about accounts who already had it (as part of broader setting) disabled for them, in a context where the data in question can (contractually) only be used to provide the service anyhow. > 2. There is no need for any tracking to implement this. It can be done on the client. Pray tell me how you can do client side search history recommendation for the first query I make after logging in.

Rebelgecko 5y ago
Easy, just store your search history in a Blockchain and pull it down every time you log in.
- tekknik 5y ago
  Why a blockchain? Or is this sarcasm?
zepto 5y ago
> No, we're talking about accounts who already had it (as part of broader setting) disabled for them, in a context where the data in question can (contractually) only be used to provide the service anyhow. That doesn’t contradict that it was switched off intentionally. > Pray tell me how you can do client side search history recommendation for the first query I make after logging in. Logging in to what? Are you saying you want your search history synced between your browsers? If so, that’s a solved problem that doesn’t require Google to track you.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  The search history in this context is Gmail and drive in app search history. This has absolutely nothing to do with your browser.
  - zepto 5y ago
    Then it’s a trivial feature that you can simply ask people if they want to enable rather than opting them in when they opted out.
    - joshuamorton 5y ago
      The users in question never opted out, their domain admins opted out of a different feature. And the corollary equally applies: it's a trivial feature with no privacy impact, why require opt-in. I don't want to be spammed with opt-ins every time every app I use adds a trivial new feature. I'd be clicking a dozen boxes a day.
      - zepto 5y ago
        It does have a privacy impact.
        joshuamorton 5y ago
        In what way? Keep in mind all the user data collected is still under the workspace data use agreement which is very strict and disallows using the data for pretty much anything that isn't directly providing that service to that user/organization.

jcranberry 5y ago

1. For non paid users, it isn't turned back on. But it is turned on if you're a paying user. In these cases it's never the user who switched it off, it was the admin, so since the control is being shifted from admin to user (admin can no longer turn it off for users of workspace apps) its kind of like a brand new setting for them. 2. True but it's somewhat useful to be able to use your account on different devices and retain your history.