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Thanks for confirming that Google is no longer run by the same people I trusted (at least, somewhat more than I do now) over a decade ago. I encourage everyone

Thanks for confirming that Google is no longer run by the same people I trusted (at least, somewhat more than I do now) over a decade ago. I encourage everyone to make the leap to DDG or some other search engine that doesn't just treat you as a data cow to be milked for your precious, precious "insights." Even GMail is no longer an attractive proposition - the risk of being locked out (perhaps, even automatically!) of an account that serves as your primary mode of recovery / identification to other websites, with little to no chance of getting an actual human on the line to address your issue, is too great. I would rather not have my finances and other important accounts be subject to the whims of the big algorithm in the clouds.

gobip 5y ago
What do you use in replacement for GMail?
- benrapscallion 5y ago
  Fastmail and HEY
  - mjmj 5y ago
    Hey, too rich for my blood
- irthomasthomas 5y ago
  https://www.gmx.com/mail/create-email-address/ https://www.gmx.com/mail/create-email-address/ Or Protonmail.com
- tazjin 5y ago
  I recently moved to Yandex 360. We previously had DNS, mail etc. on Google until an outage[0] occured. The outage was the classical story of "billing error in related Play Store (!) account nuked entire GCP setup", which diminished trust enough that I decided to move everything away from Google. I'm a Xoogler, but even then getting through to the right support channels is hard. Yandex services are pretty nice (they have an equivalent to most Google things), but even more important for me is that - even on the lowest plan - you can talk to a real human in support within minutes, 24/7. [0]: https://b.tvl.fyi/issues/155 https://b.tvl.fyi/issues/155
  - janoc 5y ago
    Uhm, sorry but Yandex of all things? Given that this is a Russian company with Kremlin having a "golden veto" power in? No, thanks. Google may be evil but moving my data from Google to the Russian government spooks is really not a solution.
    - tazjin 5y ago
      Yeah. I live in Russia and I trust this government more than e.g. the American one. It's always a matter of perspective.
      - enriquto 5y ago
        I don't get this point of view. If you live in Russia, of all places, you'd likely want to avoid Yandex. On the other hand, for people from non-Russian countries Yandex is probably a better and safer choice than Google.
        tazjin 5y ago
        I don't really understand your point.
        ori_b 5y ago
        The bureaucrats and agents don't cooperate. Your surveillance data ends up locked on the drives of agencies with no power to affect your life.
        vertis 5y ago
        I don't know about Russia, but this is not really an accurate perception. US laws tend to protect US Citizens and residents. Even citizens of friendly countries like Australia don't have protection. In some ways it's worse because Australia is five-eyes, so they can do a, I'll spy on your citizens you spy on mine kind of thing (which we know from Snowden was exactly what they were doing)[1][2]. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-d... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-intelligence-british-counterparts-blunkett https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-...
- nerdponx 5y ago
  Fastmail
- liveoneggs 5y ago
  hotmail?
- tedivm 5y ago
  I'm using Fastmail and have been super happy with them. I need to start looking into replacements for business suites though, since clearly Google Suites/Workspaces/Domains (whatever they're calling it this week) is making seriously unethical choices.
- bencollier49 5y ago
  Fastmail is great.
- indymike 5y ago
  An good old fashioned IMAP mailbox. It works fine, and my ISP has decent spam controls. Oh, and Fair Email (a client) on Android is awesome. Webmail is really slow when you get 300-400 emails a day that are not spam.
- eirikurh 5y ago
  purelymail (https://purelymail.com/ https://purelymail.com/) is great! Can't recommend it enough.
- names_are_hard 5y ago
  There are many options, as evidenced by the replies here. I've used Zoho for a few years now, no issues.
- nerdjon 5y ago
  It may not be perfect, but I switched to MobileMe for my personal email a long time ago and continue to use iCloud. Search is for sure hit or miss, but I pay for it and feel... a bit better. For my "professional" email I use Amazon Workmail with a custom domain.
  - kcartlidge 5y ago
    I've not tried the new option myself so this isn't a recommendation, but if you are using iCloud for personal email yet are doing 'professional' email elsewhere because of the custom domain, then you may not know that iCloud now supports those custom domains. Of course there may be other reasons why you want professional email separate, such as not having it at risk should Apple decide you've broken their T&Cs because poor AI/ML says so, and they close your account.
    - nerdjon 5y ago
      I think at the time I set it up that feature may not exist? It isn't really anything sensitive, really more just when I am interviewing and related activities. But I also want it to be a separate email instead of just an alias which I assume iClouds is. Could be wrong though. Amazon's is just $5 a month so not really a huge drive to change it.
- nullify88 5y ago
  https://www.migadu.com/ https://www.migadu.com/
diamondage 5y ago
DDG leaks data like a sieve. When you type a query it's present in the URL. Use an engine like onesearch.com which obfuscate this. (or get DDG to add this basic feature!)
- ryeights 5y ago
  With HTTPS this shouldn’t be a problem, no?
  - scim-knox-twox 5y ago
    It's visible in browser history
- twofornone 5y ago
  >When you type a query it's present in the URL Why does that matter? Doesn't anything after the domain stay between your browser and the server you're communicating with, assuming https?
- vorejdajo 5y ago
  You can change GET to POST in DDG settings > Privacy
- zinekeller 5y ago
  If you're really concerned with that, turn off GET mode, which turns on POST mode (https://duckduckgo.com/settings#privacy https://duckduckgo.com/settings#privacy or https://duckduckgo.com/?kg=p https://duckduckgo.com/?kg=p for a direct link).

gobip 5y ago

What do you use in replacement for GMail?

benrapscallion 5y ago
Fastmail and HEY
- mjmj 5y ago
  Hey, too rich for my blood
irthomasthomas 5y ago
https://www.gmx.com/mail/create-email-address/ https://www.gmx.com/mail/create-email-address/ Or Protonmail.com
tazjin 5y ago
I recently moved to Yandex 360. We previously had DNS, mail etc. on Google until an outage[0] occured. The outage was the classical story of "billing error in related Play Store (!) account nuked entire GCP setup", which diminished trust enough that I decided to move everything away from Google. I'm a Xoogler, but even then getting through to the right support channels is hard. Yandex services are pretty nice (they have an equivalent to most Google things), but even more important for me is that - even on the lowest plan - you can talk to a real human in support within minutes, 24/7. [0]: https://b.tvl.fyi/issues/155 https://b.tvl.fyi/issues/155
- janoc 5y ago
  Uhm, sorry but Yandex of all things? Given that this is a Russian company with Kremlin having a "golden veto" power in? No, thanks. Google may be evil but moving my data from Google to the Russian government spooks is really not a solution.
  - tazjin 5y ago
    Yeah. I live in Russia and I trust this government more than e.g. the American one. It's always a matter of perspective.
    - enriquto 5y ago
      I don't get this point of view. If you live in Russia, of all places, you'd likely want to avoid Yandex. On the other hand, for people from non-Russian countries Yandex is probably a better and safer choice than Google.
      - tazjin 5y ago
        I don't really understand your point.
        ori_b 5y ago
        The bureaucrats and agents don't cooperate. Your surveillance data ends up locked on the drives of agencies with no power to affect your life.
        vertis 5y ago
        I don't know about Russia, but this is not really an accurate perception. US laws tend to protect US Citizens and residents. Even citizens of friendly countries like Australia don't have protection. In some ways it's worse because Australia is five-eyes, so they can do a, I'll spy on your citizens you spy on mine kind of thing (which we know from Snowden was exactly what they were doing)[1][2]. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-deal-surveillance-personal-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/20/us-uk-secret-d... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-intelligence-british-counterparts-blunkett https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/10/nsa-offers-...
nerdponx 5y ago
Fastmail
liveoneggs 5y ago
hotmail?
tedivm 5y ago
I'm using Fastmail and have been super happy with them. I need to start looking into replacements for business suites though, since clearly Google Suites/Workspaces/Domains (whatever they're calling it this week) is making seriously unethical choices.
bencollier49 5y ago
Fastmail is great.
indymike 5y ago
An good old fashioned IMAP mailbox. It works fine, and my ISP has decent spam controls. Oh, and Fair Email (a client) on Android is awesome. Webmail is really slow when you get 300-400 emails a day that are not spam.
eirikurh 5y ago
purelymail (https://purelymail.com/ https://purelymail.com/) is great! Can't recommend it enough.
names_are_hard 5y ago
There are many options, as evidenced by the replies here. I've used Zoho for a few years now, no issues.
nerdjon 5y ago
It may not be perfect, but I switched to MobileMe for my personal email a long time ago and continue to use iCloud. Search is for sure hit or miss, but I pay for it and feel... a bit better. For my "professional" email I use Amazon Workmail with a custom domain.
- kcartlidge 5y ago
  I've not tried the new option myself so this isn't a recommendation, but if you are using iCloud for personal email yet are doing 'professional' email elsewhere because of the custom domain, then you may not know that iCloud now supports those custom domains. Of course there may be other reasons why you want professional email separate, such as not having it at risk should Apple decide you've broken their T&Cs because poor AI/ML says so, and they close your account.
  - nerdjon 5y ago
    I think at the time I set it up that feature may not exist? It isn't really anything sensitive, really more just when I am interviewing and related activities. But I also want it to be a separate email instead of just an alias which I assume iClouds is. Could be wrong though. Amazon's is just $5 a month so not really a huge drive to change it.
nullify88 5y ago
https://www.migadu.com/ https://www.migadu.com/

diamondage 5y ago

DDG leaks data like a sieve. When you type a query it's present in the URL. Use an engine like onesearch.com which obfuscate this. (or get DDG to add this basic feature!)

ryeights 5y ago
With HTTPS this shouldn’t be a problem, no?
- scim-knox-twox 5y ago
  It's visible in browser history
twofornone 5y ago
>When you type a query it's present in the URL Why does that matter? Doesn't anything after the domain stay between your browser and the server you're communicating with, assuming https?
vorejdajo 5y ago
You can change GET to POST in DDG settings > Privacy
zinekeller 5y ago
If you're really concerned with that, turn off GET mode, which turns on POST mode (https://duckduckgo.com/settings#privacy https://duckduckgo.com/settings#privacy or https://duckduckgo.com/?kg=p https://duckduckgo.com/?kg=p for a direct link).