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The challenge I like to bring up is construction zones. How will cars cope when a road is unexpectedly under repair? Traffic is taking turns sharing the left sh

The challenge I like to bring up is construction zones. How will cars cope when a road is unexpectedly under repair? Traffic is taking turns sharing the left shoulder with a flag man directing you? Some people I've talked to insist that an up to date map is "all that's needed" and that all such projects will need to be put in the system. Haha, a water main broke and they think people are going to update a database for them? A traffic light is out and the police are DC directing traffic at an intersection. This will happen inside any given geo-fence eventually. The list goes on... forever. Tell me how self driving cars don't need full AGI.

XorNot 5y ago
A decent chunk of this list can be handled by the car coming to a safe stop and signalling that it is unable to proceed and you need to navigate the situation. I suspect a lot of these could also be handled by that being a remote connection where a human is given the camera input and can indicate how the car should proceed (i.e. broken water main is a road obstruction that won't clear, and the obvious answer is a manual override to mark the road as unusable so the nav system reroutes).
- moss2 5y ago
  Let's hope the only passenger has a driver's license and isn't drunk or having a medical emergency.
  - XorNot 5y ago
    In both those cases they wouldn't be able to drive anyway, and the result is not more dangerous or worse then the alternative.
    - phkahler 5y ago
      >> In both those cases they wouldn't be able to drive anyway... Well that's not even a robo-taxi then.
- glbeaty 5y ago
  Both Cruise and Waymo have remote operators who can direct the cars when they phone home. Here's an example Vogt discusses a bit: https://youtu.be/sliYTyRpRB8?t=202 https://youtu.be/sliYTyRpRB8?t=202 ...of course this brings up many other problems, like network connectivity and inter-city transport, which the companies have as far as I know not commented on. IMO the sensible solution is obviously to just require passengers be able to take over if given plenty of warning, but for whatever reason Cruise isn't doing this.

XorNot 5y ago

A decent chunk of this list can be handled by the car coming to a safe stop and signalling that it is unable to proceed and you need to navigate the situation. I suspect a lot of these could also be handled by that being a remote connection where a human is given the camera input and can indicate how the car should proceed (i.e. broken water main is a road obstruction that won't clear, and the obvious answer is a manual override to mark the road as unusable so the nav system reroutes).

moss2 5y ago
Let's hope the only passenger has a driver's license and isn't drunk or having a medical emergency.
- XorNot 5y ago
  In both those cases they wouldn't be able to drive anyway, and the result is not more dangerous or worse then the alternative.
  - phkahler 5y ago
    >> In both those cases they wouldn't be able to drive anyway... Well that's not even a robo-taxi then.
glbeaty 5y ago
Both Cruise and Waymo have remote operators who can direct the cars when they phone home. Here's an example Vogt discusses a bit: https://youtu.be/sliYTyRpRB8?t=202 https://youtu.be/sliYTyRpRB8?t=202 ...of course this brings up many other problems, like network connectivity and inter-city transport, which the companies have as far as I know not commented on. IMO the sensible solution is obviously to just require passengers be able to take over if given plenty of warning, but for whatever reason Cruise isn't doing this.