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I tend to agree. Companies don't seem to switch to being good once they go evil. I would love it if someone could share a counterexample. I want it to be true

I tend to agree. Companies don't seem to switch to being good once they go evil. I would love it if someone could share a counterexample. I want it to be true that companies don't just turn evil but can become better too.

social_quotient 5y ago
How about Microsoft?
- capybara_2020 5y ago
  Stuffing bloatware on Windows, using dark patterns to try and get you to use Edge. Trying to force you to use you online accounts rather than local accounts. The whole doing good was just usual PR.
- jjulius 5y ago
  For a second it seemed like they might be headed that way, but nope. They've made some fairly user-hostile decisions recently, at least IMO.
- dataflow 5y ago
  The forced obsolescence with Windows 11 designed purely to help Intel sell hardware at the cost of the planet's well-being was pretty evil.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  You're confusing good with good PR.
- colordrops 5y ago
  still evil
- dbuder 5y ago
  Would you like to upgrade to windows 11? You said no so I'll offer it again on the very next screen and give no way to turn off the nag Would you like to login to your own computer with an online microsoft account - again no way to turn off the nag Want to exit Teams or Onedrive? nag And both m$ an google (via chrome) are scanning your computer for executables - for your safety of course!
  - Lio 5y ago
    Sadly I see similar behaviour from Apple on iOS. When they change the terms of iCloud use the options are agree or the passive aggressive “Maybe be latter”. That really means we’ll keep asking you until you agree. Any company using the phrase “maybe latter” instead of “no” is not one you can trust.
    - nicce 5y ago
      To be honest, ToS is a bit different thing. You have no right to use services without accepting it at some point.
      - Lio 5y ago
        Surely, we should be able to reject and turn off the service though if the terms change? i.e. "I don't and agree and don't want this."
        nicce 5y ago
        Unless they have made the system unfunctional wihout it… which is an another topic of discussion.
- pmontra 5y ago
  They have thrown the VSCode and WSL candies to the world and most of us don't notice anymore that they keep behaving as they always did.
  - 0xedd 5y ago
    You mean the metric hog that can only be turned off with a recompile? No, thanks. Wsl, the barely usable product with breaking bugs, such as simple disk io, until wsl2 came to improve _some_ of the features? Nah. The most detrimental change to IT, containers, still depends on hyper-v for networking in the latest version and can only build for the same kernel. Cheap PR for garbage products to try and push PC monopoly.
    - pmontra 5y ago
      They have been extremely successful with VSCode. I keep using emacs but nearly everybody I work with switched to VSCode. It even happened that a guy told me on a call "why doesn't your VSCode show [something]?" "Because emacs can show that but I don't care so I didn't install the package." And yes, the people using Windows and deploying to Linux use WSL2 now instead of WSL. They used to run a Linux VM or dual boot. Another success for Microsoft. WSL2 can also run GUI applications. They'll end up controlling the Linux desktop.
- smilebot 5y ago
  Firstly, Windows is getting progressively more complex. Each new version seems to have a new ux. I help some old family members with their computers and they have a hard time knowing what’s what when I bring them a new pc. Secondly, I found it very difficult to install another browser like chrome. It wouldn’t let me install chrome unless I downloaded a specific app from Microsoft store to allow my machine to use another browser besides edge. All the while closing annoying pop ups about how edge is just like chrome. I’m done with their products.
bamboozled 5y ago
Once a single bad egg gets into upper management, the core of the company slowly becomes poisoned by similar folk who they employ and rot the company from the inside out. Psychopaths (shown here)[1] show up where ever there is money and power, make life shit for all the better / empathetic staff, who end up leaving, gut the place and move onto the next company once it's trashed. [1] https://pics.me.me/ha-ha-business-pig-roll-com-guys-i-havent-posted-4503013.png https://pics.me.me/ha-ha-business-pig-roll-com-guys-i-havent...
endisneigh 5y ago
Your problem is you think companies are good to begin with. Companies exist to make money. Nothing more or less.
- justin_oaks 5y ago
  Companies don't have to be shady, scummy, scammy, and customer-hostile to make money. They may make more money in the short term if they are, but in the long term people will avoid that company and it'll lose money.

social_quotient 5y ago

How about Microsoft?

capybara_2020 5y ago
Stuffing bloatware on Windows, using dark patterns to try and get you to use Edge. Trying to force you to use you online accounts rather than local accounts. The whole doing good was just usual PR.
jjulius 5y ago
For a second it seemed like they might be headed that way, but nope. They've made some fairly user-hostile decisions recently, at least IMO.
dataflow 5y ago
The forced obsolescence with Windows 11 designed purely to help Intel sell hardware at the cost of the planet's well-being was pretty evil.
fartcannon 5y ago
You're confusing good with good PR.
colordrops 5y ago
still evil
dbuder 5y ago
Would you like to upgrade to windows 11? You said no so I'll offer it again on the very next screen and give no way to turn off the nag Would you like to login to your own computer with an online microsoft account - again no way to turn off the nag Want to exit Teams or Onedrive? nag And both m$ an google (via chrome) are scanning your computer for executables - for your safety of course!
- Lio 5y ago
  Sadly I see similar behaviour from Apple on iOS. When they change the terms of iCloud use the options are agree or the passive aggressive “Maybe be latter”. That really means we’ll keep asking you until you agree. Any company using the phrase “maybe latter” instead of “no” is not one you can trust.
  - nicce 5y ago
    To be honest, ToS is a bit different thing. You have no right to use services without accepting it at some point.
    - Lio 5y ago
      Surely, we should be able to reject and turn off the service though if the terms change? i.e. "I don't and agree and don't want this."
      - nicce 5y ago
        Unless they have made the system unfunctional wihout it… which is an another topic of discussion.
pmontra 5y ago
They have thrown the VSCode and WSL candies to the world and most of us don't notice anymore that they keep behaving as they always did.
- 0xedd 5y ago
  You mean the metric hog that can only be turned off with a recompile? No, thanks. Wsl, the barely usable product with breaking bugs, such as simple disk io, until wsl2 came to improve _some_ of the features? Nah. The most detrimental change to IT, containers, still depends on hyper-v for networking in the latest version and can only build for the same kernel. Cheap PR for garbage products to try and push PC monopoly.
  - pmontra 5y ago
    They have been extremely successful with VSCode. I keep using emacs but nearly everybody I work with switched to VSCode. It even happened that a guy told me on a call "why doesn't your VSCode show [something]?" "Because emacs can show that but I don't care so I didn't install the package." And yes, the people using Windows and deploying to Linux use WSL2 now instead of WSL. They used to run a Linux VM or dual boot. Another success for Microsoft. WSL2 can also run GUI applications. They'll end up controlling the Linux desktop.
smilebot 5y ago
Firstly, Windows is getting progressively more complex. Each new version seems to have a new ux. I help some old family members with their computers and they have a hard time knowing what’s what when I bring them a new pc. Secondly, I found it very difficult to install another browser like chrome. It wouldn’t let me install chrome unless I downloaded a specific app from Microsoft store to allow my machine to use another browser besides edge. All the while closing annoying pop ups about how edge is just like chrome. I’m done with their products.

bamboozled 5y ago

Once a single bad egg gets into upper management, the core of the company slowly becomes poisoned by similar folk who they employ and rot the company from the inside out. Psychopaths (shown here)[1] show up where ever there is money and power, make life shit for all the better / empathetic staff, who end up leaving, gut the place and move onto the next company once it's trashed. [1] https://pics.me.me/ha-ha-business-pig-roll-com-guys-i-havent-posted-4503013.png https://pics.me.me/ha-ha-business-pig-roll-com-guys-i-havent...

endisneigh 5y ago

Your problem is you think companies are good to begin with. Companies exist to make money. Nothing more or less.

justin_oaks 5y ago
Companies don't have to be shady, scummy, scammy, and customer-hostile to make money. They may make more money in the short term if they are, but in the long term people will avoid that company and it'll lose money.