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The: > UNLIMITED SERVICE LOCATIONS Almost seems designed to get people's hopes up only to squash them again. What people have been asking for is an RV/camping

The: > UNLIMITED SERVICE LOCATIONS Almost seems designed to get people's hopes up only to squash them again. What people have been asking for is an RV/camping/sailing Starlink they can use moving, and that product has yet to materialize. Announcing that: > Order as many Starlinks as needed and manage all of your service locations, no matter how remote, from a single account. Is niche, and is only going to confuse people waiting for true travel-Starlink.

jtl999 5y ago
I read the current Starlink system has a limitation where if you move outside of your assigned service "cell", you lose service. Guessing this is still the case.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  Unfortunately this is partly due to FCC regulations.
  - shmerl 5y ago
    Why would FCC add such limitations?
    - prepend 5y ago
      Perhaps because there are subsidies based on providing broadband/fiber service to specific areas.
    - joseloyaio 5y ago
      Surveillance & Monopoly Protection If people stopped using cellphone service for mobile internet they would loose their immense location and surveillance capabilities (gov).
      - shmerl 5y ago
        Do they have authority to impose such limitations? It sounds very overreaching. What makes more sense is probably Starlink trying to prevent uneven network load.
    - bryanlarsen 5y ago
      The FCCs mandate is to protect the airwaves from interference. Starlink uses shared bands. if the receivers move, tracking down interference is harder.
      - shmerl 5y ago
        What about mobile networks which literally do just that? Or they don't use shared bands?
      - shaklee3 5y ago
        this is not really true relative to what OP said. there are fcc regulations for spectral leakage and such, but that's well known and means you can't transmit outside a service area. but that just means you're in another, adjacent service area. it has more to do with the spectral efficiency going down as you move from boresight, so they don't want a capacity loss. fcc has nothing to do with this decision.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - unityByFreedom 5y ago
    That's why there's no FSD too, so I hear.
  - markdown 5y ago
    FCC only manages a small portion of the earths surface. They have no say whatsoever in my part of the world.
    - mod 5y ago
      If the company you use has a presence in their small portion of the Earth's surface, then they probably have some say so.
  - _joel 5y ago
    Eh, really? It's due to needing ground station visibilty for the consumers as there's no intra satellite routing links, I thought and they didn't want to swamp the contention ratio whilst they were in beta? Why would the FCC be stopping this?
- senectus1 5y ago
  provided you're happy enough to buy multiple dishes, this fixes that. one account, multiple dishes.
racnid 5y ago
Over two years ago I emailed them about "sailing" starlink and actually got a decent reply back about it but have never seen anything else about it.
- markdown 5y ago
  Why even write that if you aren't going to say what their response was?
  - cbozeman 5y ago
    Uh, it was obviously, "We don't do that yet." Otherwise he'd have something about it.
    - racnid 5y ago
      Yes, it was a wholly boring response. Something like stay tuned exciting things are coming.
systemvoltage 5y ago
> Almost seems designed to get people's hopes up only to squash them again. What people have been asking for is an RV/camping/sailing Starlink they can use moving, and that product has yet to materialize. What an odd comment. Seems like a narrow way to blame the marketing. And, a narrow way to cherry pick what doesn't fit your description of what Starlink should be and shouldn't be. In truth, Starlink is an absolute game changer for the entire world. Mobile or not. I think you need to think about rural people that have to deal with shitty DSL. 20-40 ms (You can go on YT and find people benchmarking it - average I've seen is around 40-50 ms [1]) ping is amazing and 350 mbps is exceptional compared to the status quo. Also others complaining about delays is strange. It's a fricking satellite constellation in the sky. Give them some time and slack. [1] https://youtu.be/nB5d8zqnvug?t=370 https://youtu.be/nB5d8zqnvug?t=370
- yata69420 5y ago
  The actual competition: https://www.hughesnet.com/get-started https://www.hughesnet.com/get-started
  - initplus 5y ago
    Starlink blows competitor offerings out of the water. Starlink has higher speeds, lower latency, and no data cap.
    - shaklee3 5y ago
      because they have no users yet. once the satellites are filled you're back to the status quo.
      - adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
        That's not true. The biggest problem with other satellite internet is ping, which has nothing to do with # of users (it's just that geostationary is really far away). Starlink satellites are 100x closer (so 10000x stronger signal), and there are well over 100x as many starlink satellites, so Starlink has roughly 1 million times the capacity as the other satellite internet providers.
freeopinion 5y ago
The number of people who have a summer home is extremely high. Having two dishes, or one dish that can be used from two set points is very attractive. Lots of people spend the summer "at the cabin" even when the cabin isn't in the Hamptons. Or they may live out of a motor home, but it only moves to travel between their regular winter destination and their regular summer destination. They stay in the same two parks all year except for the 4 days of travel in between. Millions of USians fall into these two demographics. I'm sure plenty outside the US do, too.
- BugWatch 5y ago
  Off topic, but thank you for the "USians" part (I've been using "US-'icans" for years).
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Has “American” gone out of style?
    - ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 5y ago
      I can remember "USians" being in use since at least as far back as the 90s. It's just a cute way of acknowledging there's more to the Americas than just the US.
      - fortyseven 5y ago
        Somehow I missed that for over 40 years.
- joe-collins 5y ago
  > According to NAHB estimates, the total count of second homes was 7.5 million https://eyeonhousing.org/2020/10/nations-stock-of-second-homes-2/ https://eyeonhousing.org/2020/10/nations-stock-of-second-hom... > The United States had an official resident population of 331,449,281 on April 1, 2020, according to the U.S. Census Bureau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State... https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/apportionment/apportionment-2020-tableA.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data... I'm not saying 7.5M isn't a market that might be worth chasing, but at the same time, I would hardly call 2% of the population "extremely high".
oxplot 5y ago
> What people have been asking for is an RV/camping/sailing Starlink they can use moving, and that product has yet to materialize. What people? You? Most people want usable Internet at home. Also, you can use a Starlink on the move just fine, just like I did. Keep changing your service location before you arrive. Takes a second, there are no limits (that I have found). https://blog.oxplot.com/powering-starlink-on-the-go-with-tesla-model-3/ https://blog.oxplot.com/powering-starlink-on-the-go-with-tes... (don't try to pick on all the mods I've done - you can use a regular inverter)

jtl999 5y ago

I read the current Starlink system has a limitation where if you move outside of your assigned service "cell", you lose service. Guessing this is still the case.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Unfortunately this is partly due to FCC regulations.
- shmerl 5y ago
  Why would FCC add such limitations?
  - prepend 5y ago
    Perhaps because there are subsidies based on providing broadband/fiber service to specific areas.
  - joseloyaio 5y ago
    Surveillance & Monopoly Protection If people stopped using cellphone service for mobile internet they would loose their immense location and surveillance capabilities (gov).
    - shmerl 5y ago
      Do they have authority to impose such limitations? It sounds very overreaching. What makes more sense is probably Starlink trying to prevent uneven network load.
  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    The FCCs mandate is to protect the airwaves from interference. Starlink uses shared bands. if the receivers move, tracking down interference is harder.
    - shmerl 5y ago
      What about mobile networks which literally do just that? Or they don't use shared bands?
    - shaklee3 5y ago
      this is not really true relative to what OP said. there are fcc regulations for spectral leakage and such, but that's well known and means you can't transmit outside a service area. but that just means you're in another, adjacent service area. it has more to do with the spectral efficiency going down as you move from boresight, so they don't want a capacity loss. fcc has nothing to do with this decision.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- unityByFreedom 5y ago
  That's why there's no FSD too, so I hear.
- markdown 5y ago
  FCC only manages a small portion of the earths surface. They have no say whatsoever in my part of the world.
  - mod 5y ago
    If the company you use has a presence in their small portion of the Earth's surface, then they probably have some say so.
- _joel 5y ago
  Eh, really? It's due to needing ground station visibilty for the consumers as there's no intra satellite routing links, I thought and they didn't want to swamp the contention ratio whilst they were in beta? Why would the FCC be stopping this?
senectus1 5y ago
provided you're happy enough to buy multiple dishes, this fixes that. one account, multiple dishes.

racnid 5y ago

Over two years ago I emailed them about "sailing" starlink and actually got a decent reply back about it but have never seen anything else about it.

markdown 5y ago
Why even write that if you aren't going to say what their response was?
- cbozeman 5y ago
  Uh, it was obviously, "We don't do that yet." Otherwise he'd have something about it.
  - racnid 5y ago
    Yes, it was a wholly boring response. Something like stay tuned exciting things are coming.

systemvoltage 5y ago

> Almost seems designed to get people's hopes up only to squash them again. What people have been asking for is an RV/camping/sailing Starlink they can use moving, and that product has yet to materialize. What an odd comment. Seems like a narrow way to blame the marketing. And, a narrow way to cherry pick what doesn't fit your description of what Starlink should be and shouldn't be. In truth, Starlink is an absolute game changer for the entire world. Mobile or not. I think you need to think about rural people that have to deal with shitty DSL. 20-40 ms (You can go on YT and find people benchmarking it - average I've seen is around 40-50 ms [1]) ping is amazing and 350 mbps is exceptional compared to the status quo. Also others complaining about delays is strange. It's a fricking satellite constellation in the sky. Give them some time and slack. [1] https://youtu.be/nB5d8zqnvug?t=370 https://youtu.be/nB5d8zqnvug?t=370

yata69420 5y ago
The actual competition: https://www.hughesnet.com/get-started https://www.hughesnet.com/get-started
- initplus 5y ago
  Starlink blows competitor offerings out of the water. Starlink has higher speeds, lower latency, and no data cap.
  - shaklee3 5y ago
    because they have no users yet. once the satellites are filled you're back to the status quo.
    - adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
      That's not true. The biggest problem with other satellite internet is ping, which has nothing to do with # of users (it's just that geostationary is really far away). Starlink satellites are 100x closer (so 10000x stronger signal), and there are well over 100x as many starlink satellites, so Starlink has roughly 1 million times the capacity as the other satellite internet providers.

freeopinion 5y ago

The number of people who have a summer home is extremely high. Having two dishes, or one dish that can be used from two set points is very attractive. Lots of people spend the summer "at the cabin" even when the cabin isn't in the Hamptons. Or they may live out of a motor home, but it only moves to travel between their regular winter destination and their regular summer destination. They stay in the same two parks all year except for the 4 days of travel in between. Millions of USians fall into these two demographics. I'm sure plenty outside the US do, too.

BugWatch 5y ago
Off topic, but thank you for the "USians" part (I've been using "US-'icans" for years).
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Has “American” gone out of style?
  - ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 5y ago
    I can remember "USians" being in use since at least as far back as the 90s. It's just a cute way of acknowledging there's more to the Americas than just the US.
    - fortyseven 5y ago
      Somehow I missed that for over 40 years.
joe-collins 5y ago
> According to NAHB estimates, the total count of second homes was 7.5 million https://eyeonhousing.org/2020/10/nations-stock-of-second-homes-2/ https://eyeonhousing.org/2020/10/nations-stock-of-second-hom... > The United States had an official resident population of 331,449,281 on April 1, 2020, according to the U.S. Census Bureau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_State... https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data/apportionment/apportionment-2020-tableA.pdf https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2020/data... I'm not saying 7.5M isn't a market that might be worth chasing, but at the same time, I would hardly call 2% of the population "extremely high".

oxplot 5y ago

> What people have been asking for is an RV/camping/sailing Starlink they can use moving, and that product has yet to materialize. What people? You? Most people want usable Internet at home. Also, you can use a Starlink on the move just fine, just like I did. Keep changing your service location before you arrive. Takes a second, there are no limits (that I have found). https://blog.oxplot.com/powering-starlink-on-the-go-with-tesla-model-3/ https://blog.oxplot.com/powering-starlink-on-the-go-with-tes... (don't try to pick on all the mods I've done - you can use a regular inverter)