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I have talked to some. You didn’t respond to any other parts of my post. Especially the main point I made of the listing of states in conflict where it is simi

I have talked to some. You didn’t respond to any other parts of my post. Especially the main point I made of the listing of states in conflict where it is similarly not possible for the smaller side to wipe out the nicer one. The point of that is to show how unreasonable expecting any of those smaller states or people to ever be able to do a serious amount of damage to the stronger power. It is a stretch to say “millions” for Gaza. The population is under 2 million. Technically that is millions. Just want to clarify it means under 2M. It’s also hard to talk to them when I don’t live close by and The 1.8M people in Gaza use the energy equivalent to a town of under 25K people in the US.* * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electri...

golergka 5y ago
> Especially the main point I made of the listing of states in conflict where it is similarly not possible for the smaller side to wipe out the nicer one. You're conflating the sides of the conflict here. It's not palestinians versus israelis, and it started much earlier than in 20th century. Arabs have already wiped out all the jews from their states already in 1940s — some managed to flee to Israel, but many more were just killed. Yes, Israel managed to build bridges with some arab governments, from Egypt to Saudis, especially lately. But don't conflate government with countries. The majority of arabs all over the muslim world, both Sunni and Shia, despite their internal differences, offer wide popular support to complete genocide of jews.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  You’ve most the goal posts and entire discussion. What do Palestinians especially in Gaza, have to do with Arabs as a whole? Your original comment specifically said Palestine. So the topic is Palestine and Israel only. And that’s what it was when I did my comment. Also to note, Arab countries don’t care about Palestine. Egypt actively hurts Palestinians for example. Arab country leadership are awful. Otherwise your comment is a diff topic and isn’t relevant to the treatment, destruction, and deaths of Palestine. > Arabs have already wiped out all the jews from their states already in 1940s — some managed to flee to Israel, but many more were just killed. Do you have any citation for this? I tried looking for numbers. I could not find any besides the general numbers of nearly 1M expelled from Arab countries. Especially the “many more were just killed”.
  - golergka 5y ago
    > What do Palestinians especially in Gaza, have to do with Arabs as a whole? I'm sorry, but I honestly don't see any way of continuing a good faith, productive and civilised discussion after this question. I always try to steelman my opponent's arguments, but I just can't find a way to look at this and not perceive it as trolling.
    - skinnymuch 5y ago
      Interesting. Your comment appears to show you were never speaking in good faith to me. Which is sad. I can sort of see how people who have a bias against Palestinian and are in related bubbles and surroundings like mine as a white collar Westerner to be taken a back by a valid question like that. It's unfortunate and sad, but I get it. I don't get how it could ever be perceived as trolling from some one who is calm and trying to look for good faith. I am sure if I email the person in Gaza and the 2-3 in Israel I communicate with to ask the same Q, they'll respond with something like "you mean the common average Palestinian trying to live their life? Not much". -- Another factor that now may show you were never/not in good faith is not responding to my inquiry of "many more were just killed". I even switched my IP to an Israeli to get better Israeli sources. I could not find any stating what you wrote. Not close. I'd think you'd want to show that that what you wrote did in fact happen. Since you won't, I'll say from my checking of sources, close to 900K were pushed out of the Arab world. Counting up different loose numbers of the ones killed, almost entirely looking at pro-Israeli, pro-Jewish sources, gave a number less than 5% of 900K being killed.

golergka 5y ago

> Especially the main point I made of the listing of states in conflict where it is similarly not possible for the smaller side to wipe out the nicer one. You're conflating the sides of the conflict here. It's not palestinians versus israelis, and it started much earlier than in 20th century. Arabs have already wiped out all the jews from their states already in 1940s — some managed to flee to Israel, but many more were just killed. Yes, Israel managed to build bridges with some arab governments, from Egypt to Saudis, especially lately. But don't conflate government with countries. The majority of arabs all over the muslim world, both Sunni and Shia, despite their internal differences, offer wide popular support to complete genocide of jews.

skinnymuch 5y ago
You’ve most the goal posts and entire discussion. What do Palestinians especially in Gaza, have to do with Arabs as a whole? Your original comment specifically said Palestine. So the topic is Palestine and Israel only. And that’s what it was when I did my comment. Also to note, Arab countries don’t care about Palestine. Egypt actively hurts Palestinians for example. Arab country leadership are awful. Otherwise your comment is a diff topic and isn’t relevant to the treatment, destruction, and deaths of Palestine. > Arabs have already wiped out all the jews from their states already in 1940s — some managed to flee to Israel, but many more were just killed. Do you have any citation for this? I tried looking for numbers. I could not find any besides the general numbers of nearly 1M expelled from Arab countries. Especially the “many more were just killed”.
- golergka 5y ago
  > What do Palestinians especially in Gaza, have to do with Arabs as a whole? I'm sorry, but I honestly don't see any way of continuing a good faith, productive and civilised discussion after this question. I always try to steelman my opponent's arguments, but I just can't find a way to look at this and not perceive it as trolling.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Interesting. Your comment appears to show you were never speaking in good faith to me. Which is sad. I can sort of see how people who have a bias against Palestinian and are in related bubbles and surroundings like mine as a white collar Westerner to be taken a back by a valid question like that. It's unfortunate and sad, but I get it. I don't get how it could ever be perceived as trolling from some one who is calm and trying to look for good faith. I am sure if I email the person in Gaza and the 2-3 in Israel I communicate with to ask the same Q, they'll respond with something like "you mean the common average Palestinian trying to live their life? Not much". -- Another factor that now may show you were never/not in good faith is not responding to my inquiry of "many more were just killed". I even switched my IP to an Israeli to get better Israeli sources. I could not find any stating what you wrote. Not close. I'd think you'd want to show that that what you wrote did in fact happen. Since you won't, I'll say from my checking of sources, close to 900K were pushed out of the Arab world. Counting up different loose numbers of the ones killed, almost entirely looking at pro-Israeli, pro-Jewish sources, gave a number less than 5% of 900K being killed.