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Definitely thought it was ironic the NYT bought a “competitor” after constantly complaining about big tech doing it over the years.

cwxm 5y ago
not to mention their dual class stock structure.
JohnWhigham 5y ago
They never get called out on it because the overwhelmingly liberal media all read it (don't downvote me, you know this to be unequivocally true). It's as simple as that. Everything has fucking turned political.
- mindslight 5y ago
  What additional insight is created by beating this strawman "liberal", beyond just straightforwardly saying that the media is biased towards its own entrenched power which is intrinsically true and relevant to the topic at hand?
tablespoon 5y ago
> Definitely thought it was ironic the NYT bought a “competitor” after constantly complaining about big tech doing it over the years. You shouldn't conflate the New York Times Company with the people who write articles for the New York Times (or even its editorial board). They're not the same entity. Apologies if somehow that's not actually what you're doing, but my experience is when someone talks about the "NYT complaining" they're pretty much always talking about a general impression of its opinion pages.
- zeroonetwothree 5y ago
  Social media gets constantly criticized for views expressed by individuals on their platforms (often by NYT or other media!). Why shouldn't we be able to do the same to traditional media companies?
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    They didn't say you can't criticize. They explained why it wouldn't be ironic even if the comparison made sense. Editorial independence is expected.
- dantheman 5y ago
  Don't complain about what others do, when thats how you get paid. Get your house in order first.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Don't complain about what others do, when thats how you get paid. Get your house in order first. Are you saying the people who write articles for the New York Times should muzzle themselves in many topic areas, so as to not be seen as being critical of anything the corporation they work may do?
DerekL 5y ago
The NYT Crossword isn't dominant in its industry, unless you define their industry to be ridiculously small. I'd say their industry is video games, or maybe just puzzle video games. For instance, this article, https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/400000-people-now-subscribe-to-nyts-digital-crossword/ https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/400000-people-now-subscribe..., says that they had 400,000 digital subscribers in 2019. That's at most $33M/year, plus they also get some ad revenue. But Candy Crush Saga made $1.2B in 2021. The NYT Crossword is also available in the newspaper and books, but this probably doesn't earn that much more than the electronic version.

cwxm 5y ago

not to mention their dual class stock structure.

JohnWhigham 5y ago

They never get called out on it because the overwhelmingly liberal media all read it (don't downvote me, you know this to be unequivocally true). It's as simple as that. Everything has fucking turned political.

mindslight 5y ago
What additional insight is created by beating this strawman "liberal", beyond just straightforwardly saying that the media is biased towards its own entrenched power which is intrinsically true and relevant to the topic at hand?

tablespoon 5y ago

> Definitely thought it was ironic the NYT bought a “competitor” after constantly complaining about big tech doing it over the years. You shouldn't conflate the New York Times Company with the people who write articles for the New York Times (or even its editorial board). They're not the same entity. Apologies if somehow that's not actually what you're doing, but my experience is when someone talks about the "NYT complaining" they're pretty much always talking about a general impression of its opinion pages.

zeroonetwothree 5y ago
Social media gets constantly criticized for views expressed by individuals on their platforms (often by NYT or other media!). Why shouldn't we be able to do the same to traditional media companies?
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  They didn't say you can't criticize. They explained why it wouldn't be ironic even if the comparison made sense. Editorial independence is expected.
dantheman 5y ago
Don't complain about what others do, when thats how you get paid. Get your house in order first.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Don't complain about what others do, when thats how you get paid. Get your house in order first. Are you saying the people who write articles for the New York Times should muzzle themselves in many topic areas, so as to not be seen as being critical of anything the corporation they work may do?

DerekL 5y ago

The NYT Crossword isn't dominant in its industry, unless you define their industry to be ridiculously small. I'd say their industry is video games, or maybe just puzzle video games. For instance, this article, https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/400000-people-now-subscribe-to-nyts-digital-crossword/ https://whatsnewinpublishing.com/400000-people-now-subscribe..., says that they had 400,000 digital subscribers in 2019. That's at most $33M/year, plus they also get some ad revenue. But Candy Crush Saga made $1.2B in 2021. The NYT Crossword is also available in the newspaper and books, but this probably doesn't earn that much more than the electronic version.