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There's a mass systematic bulldozing/demolition of whole lower/working class neighborhoods happening in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia right now. Locals use Twitter space

There's a mass systematic bulldozing/demolition of whole lower/working class neighborhoods happening in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia right now. Locals use Twitter spaces extensively to discuss, organize and share stories. Twitter spaces needs to have a way to join in in discussions anonymously to say the least. Please give users options around their own risk profile - including voice modulation.

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AustinDev 5y ago
But what about the trolls?
- tata71 5y ago
  People will leave their Spaces...like always.
BiteCode_dev 5y ago
Using twitter, a proprietary, non e2e encrypted, for profit platform with an history of political meddling and censorship to organize social change seems a dangerous bet to me. This is basically hoping that: - they are willing to play nice with you - they won't get pressured into not playing nice with you - nobody will use technical means to extract things from them Meanwhile, while taking this bet, those people are creating a gigantic data graph of persons, backed by detailed twitter tracking, all enriched by tons of evidences of their action, thinking and desired in the form of messages. So if the big guys want to hit them after that, they can grab this juicy data set and have a blast.
- smashah 5y ago
  These are everyday simple people, not HN people. They're not thinking about spinning up a matrix server with tailscale while a bulldozer is ploughing through their home. If the people go to twitter then twitter needs to consider their circumstances and accommodate.
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    Twitter doesn't need to do anything. It's a for profit private company, not an NGO. It's not a water company, it doesn't have legally a duty to its clients. It will do what is good for twitter. I guess the lesson will be learned by paying a heavy price again and again until it sticks.
    - smashah 5y ago
      NGOs also don't need to do anything. Nobody has to do anything. You don't have to reply to my comments. I don't need to reply to yours. I don't need to explain simple corporate responsibility to not enable dictatorships to easily target people to you. I'm not an NGO. I guess the lesson that I've learnt is that there's always a gormless oddball on HN that attempts to instigate an irrelevant argument. Unfortunately, it's a heavy price I continue to pay. Hasn't stuck yet :(
      - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
        There is no need for insults. The argument is only irrelevant if you consider the matter solved. But it's not. You still think "Twitter should do something", like if 30 years of big IT corporation behavior history hasn't proven it's wishful thinking. What we need is keeping educating people to not use those platforms for anything that requires privacy, to not give all their data to GAFAM and make safe systems more user friendly and ubiquitous. So that it doesn't stay in the HN bubble. This is not wishful thinking, as people around me are asking me more and more about privacy. Last month, my little bro told me to switch to encrypted channels to talk to him, for something I though was overkill. He is not in IT. It's a slow process, but so is teaching everyone to read. In that regards, having such argument is a good thing, since that, even in HN, it's a healthy way to discussing between people tech saavy what we could prioritize as a community. I assume, that, since we are discussing it, some of us are interested in the problem and our role in it.

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AustinDev 5y ago

But what about the trolls?

tata71 5y ago
People will leave their Spaces...like always.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago

Using twitter, a proprietary, non e2e encrypted, for profit platform with an history of political meddling and censorship to organize social change seems a dangerous bet to me. This is basically hoping that: - they are willing to play nice with you - they won't get pressured into not playing nice with you - nobody will use technical means to extract things from them Meanwhile, while taking this bet, those people are creating a gigantic data graph of persons, backed by detailed twitter tracking, all enriched by tons of evidences of their action, thinking and desired in the form of messages. So if the big guys want to hit them after that, they can grab this juicy data set and have a blast.

smashah 5y ago
These are everyday simple people, not HN people. They're not thinking about spinning up a matrix server with tailscale while a bulldozer is ploughing through their home. If the people go to twitter then twitter needs to consider their circumstances and accommodate.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  Twitter doesn't need to do anything. It's a for profit private company, not an NGO. It's not a water company, it doesn't have legally a duty to its clients. It will do what is good for twitter. I guess the lesson will be learned by paying a heavy price again and again until it sticks.
  - smashah 5y ago
    NGOs also don't need to do anything. Nobody has to do anything. You don't have to reply to my comments. I don't need to reply to yours. I don't need to explain simple corporate responsibility to not enable dictatorships to easily target people to you. I'm not an NGO. I guess the lesson that I've learnt is that there's always a gormless oddball on HN that attempts to instigate an irrelevant argument. Unfortunately, it's a heavy price I continue to pay. Hasn't stuck yet :(
    - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
      There is no need for insults. The argument is only irrelevant if you consider the matter solved. But it's not. You still think "Twitter should do something", like if 30 years of big IT corporation behavior history hasn't proven it's wishful thinking. What we need is keeping educating people to not use those platforms for anything that requires privacy, to not give all their data to GAFAM and make safe systems more user friendly and ubiquitous. So that it doesn't stay in the HN bubble. This is not wishful thinking, as people around me are asking me more and more about privacy. Last month, my little bro told me to switch to encrypted channels to talk to him, for something I though was overkill. He is not in IT. It's a slow process, but so is teaching everyone to read. In that regards, having such argument is a good thing, since that, even in HN, it's a healthy way to discussing between people tech saavy what we could prioritize as a community. I assume, that, since we are discussing it, some of us are interested in the problem and our role in it.