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Automated counter-battery in addition to AD would be an interesting extra layer of deterrence.

WJW 5y ago
And a PR nightmare. Shoot a missile from a school or a hospital, then afterwards the newspaper articles write themselves when the automated system retaliates. Radar data showing it was a missile launch site will always lose to pictures of mothers holding dead children. Counter battery is also of questionable effectiveness when most launch sites are used only once.
- wahern 5y ago
  > And a PR nightmare. Shoot a missile from a school or a hospital, then afterwards the newspaper articles write themselves when the automated system retaliates. There's nothing new about Hamas firing rockets from schools and hospitals and Israel responding. It's difficult to exaggerate how dirty the conflict is, and in many respects always has been. It's a positive feedback look because these activities only further dehumanize one from the other's perspective, and it's compounded by people on both sides who capitalize on this dynamic for their own gain. I have a neighbor who grew up in Israel in the 50s and 60s. If you even mention the words "Arab" or "Palestinian" she'll get visibly angry and bitter. I'm sure the feeling is mutual for many on the other side.
LorenPechtel 5y ago
Israel doesn't do counter-battery. 1) Very often the launcher is unattended at the time of launch. You wouldn't get anything but an empty weapon. 2) You can be sure that the counter-battery fire would hit a lot of human shields. Hamas *loves* human shields.
- newsclues 5y ago
  1/ not always, and it limits salvo size, lots of the launchers are multi rocket, so if you can take out the launcher while it still has munitions, you stop rockets, destroy the launcher, damage the site which may be connected to tunnels and maybe people. 2/ like AD you can have red/green zones for pre-authorized counter-battery

WJW 5y ago

And a PR nightmare. Shoot a missile from a school or a hospital, then afterwards the newspaper articles write themselves when the automated system retaliates. Radar data showing it was a missile launch site will always lose to pictures of mothers holding dead children. Counter battery is also of questionable effectiveness when most launch sites are used only once.

wahern 5y ago
> And a PR nightmare. Shoot a missile from a school or a hospital, then afterwards the newspaper articles write themselves when the automated system retaliates. There's nothing new about Hamas firing rockets from schools and hospitals and Israel responding. It's difficult to exaggerate how dirty the conflict is, and in many respects always has been. It's a positive feedback look because these activities only further dehumanize one from the other's perspective, and it's compounded by people on both sides who capitalize on this dynamic for their own gain. I have a neighbor who grew up in Israel in the 50s and 60s. If you even mention the words "Arab" or "Palestinian" she'll get visibly angry and bitter. I'm sure the feeling is mutual for many on the other side.

LorenPechtel 5y ago

Israel doesn't do counter-battery. 1) Very often the launcher is unattended at the time of launch. You wouldn't get anything but an empty weapon. 2) You can be sure that the counter-battery fire would hit a lot of human shields. Hamas *loves* human shields.

newsclues 5y ago
1/ not always, and it limits salvo size, lots of the launchers are multi rocket, so if you can take out the launcher while it still has munitions, you stop rockets, destroy the launcher, damage the site which may be connected to tunnels and maybe people. 2/ like AD you can have red/green zones for pre-authorized counter-battery