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Many school zones do not have flashing lights. Isn't the correct answer today that humans should override in these situations? Frankly, as a human I also find

• mjevans 5y ago
  A zone near me has two different sign indicator systems. They appear to go off at different intervals. In both cases I don't see humans around. I would not be surprised if the time the crossing guards and children were present was a completely different, third time.
  • rconti 5y ago
    I still don't know what is meant by "when children are present". On the sidewalk? In the playground? In the classroom?
    • aidenn0 5y ago
      I asked a CHP officer once and they said "In or near the crosswalks, including sidewalks near crosswalks." Note that police officers are not necessarily up on all of the intricacies of the law though.
    • freddie_mercury 5y ago
      You act like this is somehow unknowable. Did you try to google for it? Did you look up the actual laws where you are? It isn't hard to find the answer. If you're in California, then Vehicle Code 22352 defines it. The same will be true for every other place in the world.
      • rconti 5y ago
        That's a fair point. I grew up in Washington, where I believe it was not defined at all. It was a bit of a hobby of mine to look up vehicular RCWs when I began driving, and the Internet was available. But it's also possible it's something that puzzled me pre-Internet, and I never bothered to look up post-Internet. There are plenty of those as well.
• nkrisc 5y ago
  It is frustrating that it isn't clearly delineated, but you should be fine basing your guess on some reasonable assumptions: schools are busiest during drop off and pickup, with kids out and about near the road, very good chance those times are included in the "restricted hours", possibly the hours in between as well. Public and secular schools are typically not open on weekends, very likely any weekend hour is not restricted. Schools are usually closed during the summer months and for a time during winter break. This can be tricky because school still can have very different schedules and you may not know them if you don't have kid sin school, but again context can help: is the parking lot completely empty? No one around? School's probably not in session, restricted hours probably don't apply. If you were ticketed for speeding in a school zone during morning drop off, I think you'd have a hard time arguing you didn't know it was a restricted time. Maybe during lunch you could make a case, I guess it would depend on the judge you got.
  • brokenmachine 5y ago
    >arguing you didn't know it was a restricted time What difference does that make? If it is, you get a fine. Just like any other road rule.
    • nkrisc 5y ago
      In the US at least you can typically contest a ticket. If you feel it was unjust or unfair you can make your case before a judge, doesn’t mean you get it overturned. If the sign didn’t state hours and it wasn’t clear it was a restricted time, maybe you could make a case.
• reaperducer 5y ago
  Frankly, as a human I also find "during restricted hours" signs frustrating. How do I know which hours those are? As a human being, you weigh the risks and make a choice. Which has the worse outcome — getting to your destination 18 seconds later, or killing a child?
• ohgodplsno 5y ago
  Then just respect those limitations at all times. The school zone will last a whole 200m, you can live with driving 20 in there all the time instead of wondering if you can go full speed in a school zone.