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I am in a similar situation. I would love to purchase one, but my current laptop works fine and I don't need to make more e-waste due to cool new shiny thing! B

I am in a similar situation. I would love to purchase one, but my current laptop works fine and I don't need to make more e-waste due to cool new shiny thing! But they will stay on my mind.

aidenn0 5y ago
I suppose that's a disadvantage peculiar to manufacturers targeting reduced waste: their customers aren't going to upgrade as often...
- globalise83 5y ago
  As someone whose first task on buying a new laptop every ten years is to install the latest Ubuntu LTS version, a company which makes machines that work perfectly with Ubuntu and have a life of around 10 years will have me as a customer for life.
  - bhelkey 5y ago
    If you are a 38 year old man, actuarial tables suggest that this translates to 4 more laptops over 40 years[1]. I believe their point is that this does not make you a particularly valuable customer. I would argue that there is value in a brand that consumers trust to last for a long time. For example, if Framework launched a printer, you might be tempted to pay a premium for a product you knew was high quality and repairable. [1] https://www.annuityadvantage.com/resources/life-expectancy-tables/ https://www.annuityadvantage.com/resources/life-expectancy-t...
    - globalise83 5y ago
      Scary: how do you know I am a 38 year old man? :)
      - bhelkey 5y ago
        I can't tell if you are serious or joking. If you are a 38 year old man, I apologize for the concern. I wanted a life expectancy that was evenly divisible by ten. A 42 year old woman and a 38 year old man both have a life expectancy of 40 years based on the actuarial table I found. I played the odds and chose a 38 year old man for the example.
    - aidenn0 5y ago
      Exactly; I have friends who buy a new laptop every other year; they are not concerned with longevity or upgradability so the framework could only attract them through increased customization options, which is a harder sell. If they buy from Dell, and I buy from Framework, Dell sells 5x as many laptops.
ksec 5y ago
Which is why I wish they have some crowdfunding or crowd lending feature. I dont need a laptop now. But if they need cash flow I am willing to lend them money for practically low / zero interest rate. But from the blog post looks like they are doing extremely fine.

I am in a similar situation. I would love to purchase one, but my current laptop works fine and I don't need to make more e-waste due to cool new shiny thing! But they will stay on my mind.

aidenn0 5y ago

I suppose that's a disadvantage peculiar to manufacturers targeting reduced waste: their customers aren't going to upgrade as often...

globalise83 5y ago
As someone whose first task on buying a new laptop every ten years is to install the latest Ubuntu LTS version, a company which makes machines that work perfectly with Ubuntu and have a life of around 10 years will have me as a customer for life.
- bhelkey 5y ago
  If you are a 38 year old man, actuarial tables suggest that this translates to 4 more laptops over 40 years[1]. I believe their point is that this does not make you a particularly valuable customer. I would argue that there is value in a brand that consumers trust to last for a long time. For example, if Framework launched a printer, you might be tempted to pay a premium for a product you knew was high quality and repairable. [1] https://www.annuityadvantage.com/resources/life-expectancy-tables/ https://www.annuityadvantage.com/resources/life-expectancy-t...
  - globalise83 5y ago
    Scary: how do you know I am a 38 year old man? :)
    - bhelkey 5y ago
      I can't tell if you are serious or joking. If you are a 38 year old man, I apologize for the concern. I wanted a life expectancy that was evenly divisible by ten. A 42 year old woman and a 38 year old man both have a life expectancy of 40 years based on the actuarial table I found. I played the odds and chose a 38 year old man for the example.
  - aidenn0 5y ago
    Exactly; I have friends who buy a new laptop every other year; they are not concerned with longevity or upgradability so the framework could only attract them through increased customization options, which is a harder sell. If they buy from Dell, and I buy from Framework, Dell sells 5x as many laptops.

ksec 5y ago

Which is why I wish they have some crowdfunding or crowd lending feature. I dont need a laptop now. But if they need cash flow I am willing to lend them money for practically low / zero interest rate. But from the blog post looks like they are doing extremely fine.