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I take it by your confrontational response that their comment hooked you somewhat. I can assure you it's the truth, and though it may or may not have been relev

by 0des 5y ago

I take it by your confrontational response that their comment hooked you somewhat. I can assure you it's the truth, and though it may or may not have been relevant to you in a way that affected you emotionally, the words ring true in my experience. Those who can do the thing don't mince words about it, the ones who can't need to massage what they're saying a bit to not lay the bad news on you like a ton of bricks; it is natural for people to want to be accepted socially.

Tehchops 5y ago
"Truth" and "rings true in your experience" aren't necessarily overlapping values. Sure, it's a confrontational response, because I've seen too many solid, empathetic, capable individuals run out of tech by toxic gatekeeping bullshit just like this. Then all I'm left to manage and work with are toxic, self-aggrandizing, "um akshually" engineers who rate appearing smarter than others over working well with others and getting things done.
- 0des 5y ago
  What is the need to interject the word 'manage' in there? Is that a powermove? edit: Have a great day, I'm going to let this one go. Things to do, code to write :)
  - Tehchops 5y ago
    Have a good day as well!
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  I agree that people trying to appear smarter is toxic, at least if done very often. (Even if not done often, maybe it's still toxic, just not a lethal dose.) That isn't what I meant. It really comes down to this: You can't blather at the computer. You have to make very precise statements to the computer. If you can't be precise in your communications, you can't program. That usually spills over into human communications, too. People who can talk to computers can usually talk to humans who can talk to computers, because they can use at least some of the same terms with the same meanings. And they can talk with the same mindset. You can't show off to the computer. You can't get the code to compile or to run by using more flowery wording. Tech people tend to carry that mindset into their communication with each other.

by 0des 5y ago

Tehchops 5y ago

"Truth" and "rings true in your experience" aren't necessarily overlapping values. Sure, it's a confrontational response, because I've seen too many solid, empathetic, capable individuals run out of tech by toxic gatekeeping bullshit just like this. Then all I'm left to manage and work with are toxic, self-aggrandizing, "um akshually" engineers who rate appearing smarter than others over working well with others and getting things done.

0des 5y ago
What is the need to interject the word 'manage' in there? Is that a powermove? edit: Have a great day, I'm going to let this one go. Things to do, code to write :)
- Tehchops 5y ago
  Have a good day as well!
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
I agree that people trying to appear smarter is toxic, at least if done very often. (Even if not done often, maybe it's still toxic, just not a lethal dose.) That isn't what I meant. It really comes down to this: You can't blather at the computer. You have to make very precise statements to the computer. If you can't be precise in your communications, you can't program. That usually spills over into human communications, too. People who can talk to computers can usually talk to humans who can talk to computers, because they can use at least some of the same terms with the same meanings. And they can talk with the same mindset. You can't show off to the computer. You can't get the code to compile or to run by using more flowery wording. Tech people tend to carry that mindset into their communication with each other.