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BTW, the FSD beta is terrible. Its what I imagine a senior citizen taking their first drive after getting a learners permit would be like. The worst part is h

BTW, the FSD beta is terrible. Its what I imagine a senior citizen taking their first drive after getting a learners permit would be like. The worst part is horribly timid behavior pulling into traffic or making unprotected left turns. It also is quite annoying on rural 2 lane roads, with frequent enough phantom braking to make passengers queasy and hence make me turn off FSD. It has no knowledge of potholes, so I frequently have to take over before it costs me a wheel and a tire by hitting a monster pothole. Its frustrating that I paid $3000 for this 4+ years ago, and waited 4 years for the feature, and was made to drive overly gently (no hard cornering or braking) in order to get a good "safety score" for quite a while before I could even try it. The $3000 would have been much better off had I invested it in Tesla stock. If this is where they are after 4 years, I don't hold out much hope.

reasonabl_human 5y ago
What version of FSD beta are you on? After 10.6 most of my complaints were addressed and I am very happy using it to get to work every day, although I live in a suburban / semi-urban area and have never used it on rural roads. I have an original model 3. Pretty much any left-handed turn is protected with a stoplight around me, although it negotiates unprotected ones well for the ones I’ve faced under 35mph We have solid infrastructure so can’t speak to the potholes complaint. A few months back FSD beta started acknowledging speed bumps and taking them slowly so I’d imagine potholes are in the works.
- drewg123 5y ago
  V10.9 I tweeted at Elon about the potholes.. let's hope something improves.
eclipxe 5y ago
When one of your main complaints about your self driving car is that it is too timid and doesn’t avoid potholes, I think things are progressing just fine. Just step back a little and think about where the technology was 5, 10 years ago. Heck even 20 years ago. Imagine telling someone on a forum “yeah my self driving car is fine but a little timid for me and ugh, potholes!”
- drewg123 5y ago
  Well, I have lots of others, but I didn't want to look too much like I'm ranting. They include: - Driving too close to parked cars for comfort on un-laned side streets when there is no oncoming traffic. I personally like to leave enough room to avoid somebody opening their door into me, if I have the room. - Leaving way too much space in front of the car at stoplights. This is a problem when it leads to blocking the entrance to left turn lanes, etc. - Totally blowing through stop signs in parking lots. - Freaking out and making me take over on a mildly tricky interstate interchange where 2 lanes narrow to one. And I'm sure there are a million others that I'm forgetting about.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  The point is that you can't rely on FSD to fully self-drive. Somewhat decent doesn't cut it. In particular, if it can't avoid potholes, it's not safe to let it drive on the road.
- jjulius 5y ago
  I'm confused by this response. "Horribly timid behavior pulling into traffic" sounds like they're saying that when a car pulls into traffic it pulls in too slow, which puts other cars at risk of hitting the Tesla that's not properly getting up to speed. And when I read, "has no knowledge of potholes," I picture a Tesla slamming down into a giant pothole and damaging the car; needing to pull over to get it towed, fixed, etc. Are things really "progressing just fine" if the car is repeatedly putting itself into dangerous situations? Edit: I suppose that one could make the argument that we didn't even have this kind of tech on the roads ten years ago, and sure, that's progress in one sense. But I wouldn't call it "just fine" by a long shot, nor would I dismiss these concerns as whininess.
thepasswordis 5y ago
Ha! My experience has been the exact opposite. I think it drives like an angry teenager. Slow the F down, Tessie!
Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
> The $3000 would have been much better off had I invested it in Tesla stock. It'd be ~$40,000 >.< Could be worse. If the people who put a $50,000 down payment on a Roadster 2.0 the day they announced them had bought $TSLA instead, they would have enough money now to pay cash for TWO Roadsters and have enough money left over to add a Model S Plaid.

reasonabl_human 5y ago

What version of FSD beta are you on? After 10.6 most of my complaints were addressed and I am very happy using it to get to work every day, although I live in a suburban / semi-urban area and have never used it on rural roads. I have an original model 3. Pretty much any left-handed turn is protected with a stoplight around me, although it negotiates unprotected ones well for the ones I’ve faced under 35mph We have solid infrastructure so can’t speak to the potholes complaint. A few months back FSD beta started acknowledging speed bumps and taking them slowly so I’d imagine potholes are in the works.

drewg123 5y ago
V10.9 I tweeted at Elon about the potholes.. let's hope something improves.

eclipxe 5y ago

When one of your main complaints about your self driving car is that it is too timid and doesn’t avoid potholes, I think things are progressing just fine. Just step back a little and think about where the technology was 5, 10 years ago. Heck even 20 years ago. Imagine telling someone on a forum “yeah my self driving car is fine but a little timid for me and ugh, potholes!”

drewg123 5y ago
Well, I have lots of others, but I didn't want to look too much like I'm ranting. They include: - Driving too close to parked cars for comfort on un-laned side streets when there is no oncoming traffic. I personally like to leave enough room to avoid somebody opening their door into me, if I have the room. - Leaving way too much space in front of the car at stoplights. This is a problem when it leads to blocking the entrance to left turn lanes, etc. - Totally blowing through stop signs in parking lots. - Freaking out and making me take over on a mildly tricky interstate interchange where 2 lanes narrow to one. And I'm sure there are a million others that I'm forgetting about.
tsimionescu 5y ago
The point is that you can't rely on FSD to fully self-drive. Somewhat decent doesn't cut it. In particular, if it can't avoid potholes, it's not safe to let it drive on the road.
jjulius 5y ago
I'm confused by this response. "Horribly timid behavior pulling into traffic" sounds like they're saying that when a car pulls into traffic it pulls in too slow, which puts other cars at risk of hitting the Tesla that's not properly getting up to speed. And when I read, "has no knowledge of potholes," I picture a Tesla slamming down into a giant pothole and damaging the car; needing to pull over to get it towed, fixed, etc. Are things really "progressing just fine" if the car is repeatedly putting itself into dangerous situations? Edit: I suppose that one could make the argument that we didn't even have this kind of tech on the roads ten years ago, and sure, that's progress in one sense. But I wouldn't call it "just fine" by a long shot, nor would I dismiss these concerns as whininess.

thepasswordis 5y ago

Ha! My experience has been the exact opposite. I think it drives like an angry teenager. Slow the F down, Tessie!

Sohcahtoa82 5y ago

> The $3000 would have been much better off had I invested it in Tesla stock. It'd be ~$40,000 >.< Could be worse. If the people who put a $50,000 down payment on a Roadster 2.0 the day they announced them had bought $TSLA instead, they would have enough money now to pay cash for TWO Roadsters and have enough money left over to add a Model S Plaid.