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Similarly airplane pilots should not wait for instructions from the tower if they can clearly see that the way is clear. Simple, binding, easy to follow rules

Similarly airplane pilots should not wait for instructions from the tower if they can clearly see that the way is clear. Simple, binding, easy to follow rules are important when the cost of mistakes is death or significant damage

toomuchtodo 5y ago
> Simple, binding, easy to follow rules are important when the cost of mistakes is death or significant damage There is nuance. Pilots are the final authority when it comes to the safety of the craft, and you're in the clear if your actions were justified. With self driving cars, we're discussing where the boundaries are and when the vehicle's decision can take precedence over coarse legal code (as occurs with human drivers every day). https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.3 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.3 (14 CFR § 91.3 - Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.) (private pilot who has deviated from ATC commands in GA aircraft and had to fill out a written report over a cup of coffee)
- gpderetta 5y ago
  Of course! And you should definitely run a red light if staying were you are would put you or other in dangers. I'm commenting about running a red light just because the road seems otherwise clear.
- TheCoelacanth 5y ago
  Is "it saved me five seconds" sufficient justification for disregarding ATC commands? That's the only justification we have here for making rolling stops.
anonymousiam 5y ago
Bad analogy. When driving, there is no "Tower" with an overarching view of your situation.
- loceng 5y ago
  And most of the sky for a pilot is a blind spot as planes they can't currently see can intersect they could easily and quickly collide.
  - gpderetta 5y ago
    Car drivers also have blind spots. See the Constant bearing, decreasing range problem for example.
- kfarr 5y ago
  In that case, you could say it's even more important for all individual agents to adhere to a set of clear and predictable rules.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

> Simple, binding, easy to follow rules are important when the cost of mistakes is death or significant damage There is nuance. Pilots are the final authority when it comes to the safety of the craft, and you're in the clear if your actions were justified. With self driving cars, we're discussing where the boundaries are and when the vehicle's decision can take precedence over coarse legal code (as occurs with human drivers every day). https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.3 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.3 (14 CFR § 91.3 - Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.) (private pilot who has deviated from ATC commands in GA aircraft and had to fill out a written report over a cup of coffee)

gpderetta 5y ago
Of course! And you should definitely run a red light if staying were you are would put you or other in dangers. I'm commenting about running a red light just because the road seems otherwise clear.
TheCoelacanth 5y ago
Is "it saved me five seconds" sufficient justification for disregarding ATC commands? That's the only justification we have here for making rolling stops.

anonymousiam 5y ago

Bad analogy. When driving, there is no "Tower" with an overarching view of your situation.

loceng 5y ago
And most of the sky for a pilot is a blind spot as planes they can't currently see can intersect they could easily and quickly collide.
- gpderetta 5y ago
  Car drivers also have blind spots. See the Constant bearing, decreasing range problem for example.
kfarr 5y ago
In that case, you could say it's even more important for all individual agents to adhere to a set of clear and predictable rules.