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For some context: California allows “rolling stops” in which the driver is not required to come completely to 0mph (fully stopped) at a stop sign. Most US state

For some context: California allows “rolling stops” in which the driver is not required to come completely to 0mph (fully stopped) at a stop sign. Most US states require a complete stop at stop signs. Strangely, Tesla exported this rolling stop behavior everywhere, despite it being illegal in many (maybe most) states. It’s strange that this was allowed to get so far. This violation should have been obvious.

mig39 5y ago
California stops are weird. If you're ok with a car just slowing down and yielding to traffic if necessary, why not use a "Yield" sign instead of a "Stop" sign? We have "yield" signs for entry onto highways and roundabouts, for example, where the goal is to keep traffic moving.
- kjkjadksj 5y ago
  Because based on my experience most people don’t yield at yield signs in ca, and prefer to try and outgun whoever is not letting them in than back off. Sounds like a good way to me to increase the number of accidents at 4 way stops.
  - mig39 5y ago
    Yeah, 4-way stops definitely need a stop sign. Or better yet, turn 4-way stops into roundabouts.
- metabagel 5y ago
  California isn’t OK with it. Police routinely ticket vehicles which perform a rolling stop. The police aren’t everywhere, so you could get away with it for a while, but eventually you’ll probably do it in front of a police car and be cited.
lakis 5y ago
California rolling stops are illegal.
toomuchtodo 5y ago
Look at the cost. A regulator told them to turn it off, and an OTA later it’ll be off. A rational decision.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  I'm not sure why it's rational or desirable to let companies violate the law until they get a letter that says "the law applies to you too". Let's fine Tesla for rolling a stop sign times a large multiple based on their data of how often it happened. We can use the national average fine or use the GPS to match it to the proper jurisdiction. I don't care which.
- metabagel 5y ago
  In my opinion, it was irrational to ever turn it on.
williamscales 5y ago
California requires a complete stop, too. I think some of our drivers are just impatient.
- mdasen 5y ago
  Just to add some sources confirming that California does not allow rolling stops: https://www.thetrafficticketattorneys.com/blog/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-rolling-stop-penalty-in-california/ https://www.thetrafficticketattorneys.com/blog/7-things-you-... https://www.sidmartinbio.org/what-is-the-fine-for-a-california-rolling-stop/ https://www.sidmartinbio.org/what-is-the-fine-for-a-californ... https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/22450/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/22450/ https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=22450 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
paradygm 5y ago
Unless something changed in the 30 years since I learned to drive--in California-- the "California Rolling Stop" is a pejorative and is not at all legal. In California, and every other US state, a stop sign means come to a full and complete stop.
restes 5y ago
>California allows “rolling stops” No, they certainly do not. I live in California and I've gotten a ticket for doing this.
dicroce 5y ago
California rolls are legal? Why didn't I know this for the 45 years I lived in California? :)
KerrAvon 5y ago
Rolling stops are illegal in California and you will get ticketed if the cops catch you doing it, even if it was perfectly safe. This seems to be an example of Tesla “pushing the boundaries” in a way that puts their customers at risk. I’m all for small-l libertarianism, but they could spend effort where it actually mattered instead of this childish petulance.
jjulius 5y ago
>For some context: California allows “rolling stops”... False. I present to you California Vehicle Code #22450: >The driver of any vehicle approaching a stop sign at the entrance to, or within, an intersection shall stop at a limit line, if marked, otherwise before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=22450 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
yumraj 5y ago
If that’s what you’ve been doing, you’ve just been lucky. It’s not legal in CA.
joshu 5y ago
this is the perfect hacker news comment. congratulations!
ShakataGaNai 5y ago
https://www.ticketcrusherslaw.com/rolling-stop/ https://www.ticketcrusherslaw.com/rolling-stop/ It is NOT legal to do a rolling stop in California. Like everywhere else in the nation, you must (legally speaking) come to a complete stop at sign/light. Failure to do so will result in a ticket (if you're caught).

mig39 5y ago

California stops are weird. If you're ok with a car just slowing down and yielding to traffic if necessary, why not use a "Yield" sign instead of a "Stop" sign? We have "yield" signs for entry onto highways and roundabouts, for example, where the goal is to keep traffic moving.

kjkjadksj 5y ago
Because based on my experience most people don’t yield at yield signs in ca, and prefer to try and outgun whoever is not letting them in than back off. Sounds like a good way to me to increase the number of accidents at 4 way stops.
- mig39 5y ago
  Yeah, 4-way stops definitely need a stop sign. Or better yet, turn 4-way stops into roundabouts.
metabagel 5y ago
California isn’t OK with it. Police routinely ticket vehicles which perform a rolling stop. The police aren’t everywhere, so you could get away with it for a while, but eventually you’ll probably do it in front of a police car and be cited.

lakis 5y ago

California rolling stops are illegal.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

Look at the cost. A regulator told them to turn it off, and an OTA later it’ll be off. A rational decision.

HWR_14 5y ago
I'm not sure why it's rational or desirable to let companies violate the law until they get a letter that says "the law applies to you too". Let's fine Tesla for rolling a stop sign times a large multiple based on their data of how often it happened. We can use the national average fine or use the GPS to match it to the proper jurisdiction. I don't care which.
metabagel 5y ago
In my opinion, it was irrational to ever turn it on.

williamscales 5y ago

California requires a complete stop, too. I think some of our drivers are just impatient.

mdasen 5y ago
Just to add some sources confirming that California does not allow rolling stops: https://www.thetrafficticketattorneys.com/blog/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-rolling-stop-penalty-in-california/ https://www.thetrafficticketattorneys.com/blog/7-things-you-... https://www.sidmartinbio.org/what-is-the-fine-for-a-california-rolling-stop/ https://www.sidmartinbio.org/what-is-the-fine-for-a-californ... https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/22450/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/22450/ https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=22450 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

paradygm 5y ago

Unless something changed in the 30 years since I learned to drive--in California-- the "California Rolling Stop" is a pejorative and is not at all legal. In California, and every other US state, a stop sign means come to a full and complete stop.

restes 5y ago

>California allows “rolling stops” No, they certainly do not. I live in California and I've gotten a ticket for doing this.

dicroce 5y ago

California rolls are legal? Why didn't I know this for the 45 years I lived in California? :)

KerrAvon 5y ago

Rolling stops are illegal in California and you will get ticketed if the cops catch you doing it, even if it was perfectly safe. This seems to be an example of Tesla “pushing the boundaries” in a way that puts their customers at risk. I’m all for small-l libertarianism, but they could spend effort where it actually mattered instead of this childish petulance.

jjulius 5y ago

>For some context: California allows “rolling stops”... False. I present to you California Vehicle Code #22450: >The driver of any vehicle approaching a stop sign at the entrance to, or within, an intersection shall stop at a limit line, if marked, otherwise before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=22450 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

yumraj 5y ago

If that’s what you’ve been doing, you’ve just been lucky. It’s not legal in CA.

joshu 5y ago

this is the perfect hacker news comment. congratulations!

ShakataGaNai 5y ago

https://www.ticketcrusherslaw.com/rolling-stop/ https://www.ticketcrusherslaw.com/rolling-stop/ It is NOT legal to do a rolling stop in California. Like everywhere else in the nation, you must (legally speaking) come to a complete stop at sign/light. Failure to do so will result in a ticket (if you're caught).