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Israel’s Apartheid Against Palestinians

24 points by botanical 5y ago

throwawaymanbot 5y ago
erenyeager 5y ago
The use of tech to surveillance and oppress Palestinians as well as securitize the entire region is a warning tale. It’s unfortunate many in tech choose to be blind to the externalities caused by working with and legitimating this type of cruelty. Luckily more and more people are realizing it’s not in their ethics to collaborate or contribute to the occupation of Palestine. More people in tech need to boycott the way Israel interact with tech companies
greatjack613 5y ago
@dang This is a patently false article written by well known anti semites and designed to induce a flamewar on any platform. This does not fit with our values
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Is Human Rights Watch also anti semites? Calling out human rights abuses by a nation doesn't make you racist. These are facts. And we should be able to discuss the facts from a rational foundation. I take great issue with the actions of the US government as a US citizen in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the various decades long conflicts the country has engaged in, for example. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/human-rights-watch-accuses-israel-apartheid-over-treatment-palestinians-n1265442 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/human-rights-watch-accuse... https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  Amnesty international is a bunch of well known anti semites? This is news to me.
  - esalman 5y ago
    Me too.
defaultprimate 5y ago
Israel is nowhere close to an apartheid state https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29556722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29556722 Ask yourself how many Jews live in and could safely become sociopolitically engaged in surrounding Arab nations. It's mind blowing to me that Israel is targeted with this kind of rhetoric without relative comparison to surrounding nations. It's mentioned only in passing in the article as if it's no big deal, when it's critically important to the geopolitical examination of the region. Not to mention the PLA and Hamas literally want to genocide the Jews and have repeatedly rejected more than fair solutions.
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  > It's mind blowing to me that Israel is targeted with this kind of rhetoric without relative comparison to surrounding nations > Not to mention the PLA and Hamas literally want to genocide the Jews and have repeatedly rejected more than fair solutions. This reads as whataboutism to me. Israel is held to higher standards in the west and in particular the US because it is an extremely close ally and unquestionable support for Israel is treated at a litmus test for public life. What is deemed as “fair” is dependent upon one’s point of view. And while I can sit here and defend hamas, I am not aware of the PLA advocating anything genocidal at any point in the past.
  - defaultprimate 5y ago
    The original PLO charter called for the explicit and complete destruction of Israel. Objective rebuttal to today's report follows https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-amnesty-report-on-israel-affirms-the-plos-60-year-apartheid-strategy/ https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-amnesty-report-on-israel-aff...
    - wbsss4412 5y ago
      Calling for the destruction of a political entity is not the same thing as calling for the genocide of the population that is governed by said entity. Despite what Israel’s advocates say, objecting to a particular political arrangement for the territory that is Israel/Palestine is not inherently anti Semitic nor anything close to advocating genocide. Personally I don’t like the idea of ethno-religious nation states.
copperwater69 5y ago
You can help end israeli abuse against Palestine by joining the BDS movement https://bdsmovement.net/ https://bdsmovement.net/

24 points by botanical 5y ago

The use of tech to surveillance and oppress Palestinians as well as securitize the entire region is a warning tale. It’s unfortunate many in tech choose to be blind to the externalities caused by working with and legitimating this type of cruelty. Luckily more and more people are realizing it’s not in their ethics to collaborate or contribute to the occupation of Palestine. More people in tech need to boycott the way Israel interact with tech companies

greatjack613 5y ago

@dang This is a patently false article written by well known anti semites and designed to induce a flamewar on any platform. This does not fit with our values

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Is Human Rights Watch also anti semites? Calling out human rights abuses by a nation doesn't make you racist. These are facts. And we should be able to discuss the facts from a rational foundation. I take great issue with the actions of the US government as a US citizen in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the various decades long conflicts the country has engaged in, for example. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/human-rights-watch-accuses-israel-apartheid-over-treatment-palestinians-n1265442 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/human-rights-watch-accuse... https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...
wbsss4412 5y ago
Amnesty international is a bunch of well known anti semites? This is news to me.
- esalman 5y ago
  Me too.

defaultprimate 5y ago

Israel is nowhere close to an apartheid state https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29556722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29556722 Ask yourself how many Jews live in and could safely become sociopolitically engaged in surrounding Arab nations. It's mind blowing to me that Israel is targeted with this kind of rhetoric without relative comparison to surrounding nations. It's mentioned only in passing in the article as if it's no big deal, when it's critically important to the geopolitical examination of the region. Not to mention the PLA and Hamas literally want to genocide the Jews and have repeatedly rejected more than fair solutions.

wbsss4412 5y ago
> It's mind blowing to me that Israel is targeted with this kind of rhetoric without relative comparison to surrounding nations > Not to mention the PLA and Hamas literally want to genocide the Jews and have repeatedly rejected more than fair solutions. This reads as whataboutism to me. Israel is held to higher standards in the west and in particular the US because it is an extremely close ally and unquestionable support for Israel is treated at a litmus test for public life. What is deemed as “fair” is dependent upon one’s point of view. And while I can sit here and defend hamas, I am not aware of the PLA advocating anything genocidal at any point in the past.
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  The original PLO charter called for the explicit and complete destruction of Israel. Objective rebuttal to today's report follows https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-amnesty-report-on-israel-affirms-the-plos-60-year-apartheid-strategy/ https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-amnesty-report-on-israel-aff...
  - wbsss4412 5y ago
    Calling for the destruction of a political entity is not the same thing as calling for the genocide of the population that is governed by said entity. Despite what Israel’s advocates say, objecting to a particular political arrangement for the territory that is Israel/Palestine is not inherently anti Semitic nor anything close to advocating genocide. Personally I don’t like the idea of ethno-religious nation states.

copperwater69 5y ago

You can help end israeli abuse against Palestine by joining the BDS movement https://bdsmovement.net/ https://bdsmovement.net/