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If you were here in good faith, you would know that regulation isn't an all-or-nothing proposition.

pfdietz 5y ago
I guess we just need omniscient philosopher-kings to tell us ahead of times which safety regulations were actually necessary. Is there R&D into crystal balls?
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- throwaway894345 5y ago
  If you can't make good faith arguments, maybe your position isn't very strong?
  - pfdietz 5y ago
    I am asking you how one determines which regulations are actually necessary. Those of you making this "too much regulation" argument never seem to go into detail on that. Judging by every other industry that has ever existed, this is not a tractable problem -- one determines what regulations are necessary by failing and learning from the experience. With nuclear, how many meltdowns are you willing to tolerate to get this experience?
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      Thank you, this comment seems constructive. > I am asking you how one determines which regulations are actually necessary. This is something that experts need to work out. > Those of you making this "too much regulation" argument never seem to go into detail on that. Our arguments don't require us to specify specific regulation to eliminate, it suffices to note that we tolerate tens of thousands of annual deaths due to fossil fuels and we tolerate virtually zero deaths due to nuclear. We can be sure that there are regulations which are onerous for relatively little safety gains, but to your point most of us aren't experts here and can't speak to specific regulations or how they work. > Judging by every other industry that has ever existed, this is not a tractable problem -- one determines what regulations are necessary by failing and learning from the experience. Not at all. The number of deaths we're willing to tolerate is a choice, largely one driven by lobbyists. For example, we tolerate tens of thousands of annual fossil fuel deaths, transportation deaths, etc. The only reason we tolerate so few nuclear deaths is because of FUD campaigns. > With nuclear, how many meltdowns are you willing to tolerate to get this experience? Well, we could look to our own past experience or the experience of other countries which had extensive nuclear experience and virtually zero meltdowns despite far less regulation.
      - drran 5y ago
        > This is something that experts need to work out. Experts put these regulations into place. To cancel regulations, we will need somebody who is opposite to experts.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        No, regulators (bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry and other special interests) put the regulations into place.

I guess we just need omniscient philosopher-kings to tell us ahead of times which safety regulations were actually necessary. Is there R&D into crystal balls?

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throwaway894345 5y ago
If you can't make good faith arguments, maybe your position isn't very strong?
- pfdietz 5y ago
  I am asking you how one determines which regulations are actually necessary. Those of you making this "too much regulation" argument never seem to go into detail on that. Judging by every other industry that has ever existed, this is not a tractable problem -- one determines what regulations are necessary by failing and learning from the experience. With nuclear, how many meltdowns are you willing to tolerate to get this experience?
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    Thank you, this comment seems constructive. > I am asking you how one determines which regulations are actually necessary. This is something that experts need to work out. > Those of you making this "too much regulation" argument never seem to go into detail on that. Our arguments don't require us to specify specific regulation to eliminate, it suffices to note that we tolerate tens of thousands of annual deaths due to fossil fuels and we tolerate virtually zero deaths due to nuclear. We can be sure that there are regulations which are onerous for relatively little safety gains, but to your point most of us aren't experts here and can't speak to specific regulations or how they work. > Judging by every other industry that has ever existed, this is not a tractable problem -- one determines what regulations are necessary by failing and learning from the experience. Not at all. The number of deaths we're willing to tolerate is a choice, largely one driven by lobbyists. For example, we tolerate tens of thousands of annual fossil fuel deaths, transportation deaths, etc. The only reason we tolerate so few nuclear deaths is because of FUD campaigns. > With nuclear, how many meltdowns are you willing to tolerate to get this experience? Well, we could look to our own past experience or the experience of other countries which had extensive nuclear experience and virtually zero meltdowns despite far less regulation.
    - drran 5y ago
      > This is something that experts need to work out. Experts put these regulations into place. To cancel regulations, we will need somebody who is opposite to experts.
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        No, regulators (bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry and other special interests) put the regulations into place.