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This seems to be relatively drama-free, compared to the last departure (off the entire moderation team https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845 https://new

This seems to be relatively drama-free, compared to the last departure (off the entire moderation team https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845), or they've learned there lesson that it's better to not say anything drama-inducing if they won't give the full story. Speaking about that, anyone know why the moderation team left by now? Has anything became public at this point or it's still anyones guess? There was some indication that some core member broke the Code of Conduct but was never "punished" for it, could this be the consequence that we're seeing after ~2 months?

lijogdfljk 5y ago
Florian is commenting on the reddit post[1]. Sounds very drama free for them (the singular them.. not the plural... sigh). [1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/sh7erp/changes_in_the_core_team_rust_blog/hv16u8a/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/sh7erp/changes_in_the...
- weakfish 5y ago
- melissalobos 5y ago
  > Sounds very drama free for them (the singular them.. not the plural... sigh). I don't quite understand this line, would you prefer they identify as multiple people? Or is the objection to using the singular them in general? There is a large historic precedent for using a singular them for people you for whom you are unfamiliar with their gender. Not even trying to be "woke" but if there was someone named Terry(about equal likelihood of being male or female), it makes a lot of sense to use "them"/"they" instead of "he" or "she". Edit: did you mean that for the other members it wasn't drama free?
  - Azsy 5y ago
    I think they just meant that in this context them is ambiguous, meaning they are forced to clarify in this case. A regression in API. One that would be nice to see fixed in the next release.
    - AprilArcus 5y ago
      If you're troubled by the ambiguity of singular "they", I would like to invite you to share in the use of my boutique third person plural neopronoun, "th'all" (objective "all'em"; possessive determiner "all th'all's"). It's the perfect neologism for these factionalist and accusatory times, indexing no one's gender other than your own, insofar as it identifies yourself as someone who has a use for it. As for the Rust team, th'all have contributed mightily to the advancement of the industry and to the open source community in particular. I wish all'em the best of luck in all th'all's future endeavors.
      - qzw 5y ago
        Ok, I just read your last sentence out loud, and I reckon I sounded like a cross between Colonel Sanders and Yosemite Sam. Thanks for the laughs!
      - xscott 5y ago
        > third person plural neopronoun, "th'all" What we need is an unambiguous set of third person singular pronouns. "They" and "them" is already a fine set of gender indifferent plurals. It's "he", "she", "it", "his", "hers", "its" that we're having problems with.
    - jrockway 5y ago
      I feel like the current release of English can handle this fine. "It was very drama-free for Florian: <reddit link>" If you don't know someone's name, it could have been "it was very drama-free for at least one individual: <reddit link>".
    - beebmam 5y ago
      I kindly ask that we please leave this passive aggressive culture war stuff off HN
      - istjohn 5y ago
        Seems to me mutual respect and such niceties of civil society as being kind, respecting pronoun preferences, avoiding derogatory language, etc. are essential to making HN a worthwhile place to be.
- davidkunz 5y ago
  It's "free for him" according to https://foundation.rust-lang.org/posts/2021-04-08-introducing-florian-gilcher/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/posts/2021-04-08-introducin...
  - lijogdfljk 5y ago
    Yea i just didn't care to look it up tbh. Generally i avoid such information about people and try to be generic. Though in this context it was ambiguous imo

lijogdfljk 5y ago

Florian is commenting on the reddit post[1]. Sounds very drama free for them (the singular them.. not the plural... sigh). [1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/sh7erp/changes_in_the_core_team_rust_blog/hv16u8a/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/sh7erp/changes_in_the...

weakfish 5y ago
melissalobos 5y ago
> Sounds very drama free for them (the singular them.. not the plural... sigh). I don't quite understand this line, would you prefer they identify as multiple people? Or is the objection to using the singular them in general? There is a large historic precedent for using a singular them for people you for whom you are unfamiliar with their gender. Not even trying to be "woke" but if there was someone named Terry(about equal likelihood of being male or female), it makes a lot of sense to use "them"/"they" instead of "he" or "she". Edit: did you mean that for the other members it wasn't drama free?
- Azsy 5y ago
  I think they just meant that in this context them is ambiguous, meaning they are forced to clarify in this case. A regression in API. One that would be nice to see fixed in the next release.
  - AprilArcus 5y ago
    If you're troubled by the ambiguity of singular "they", I would like to invite you to share in the use of my boutique third person plural neopronoun, "th'all" (objective "all'em"; possessive determiner "all th'all's"). It's the perfect neologism for these factionalist and accusatory times, indexing no one's gender other than your own, insofar as it identifies yourself as someone who has a use for it. As for the Rust team, th'all have contributed mightily to the advancement of the industry and to the open source community in particular. I wish all'em the best of luck in all th'all's future endeavors.
    - qzw 5y ago
      Ok, I just read your last sentence out loud, and I reckon I sounded like a cross between Colonel Sanders and Yosemite Sam. Thanks for the laughs!
    - xscott 5y ago
      > third person plural neopronoun, "th'all" What we need is an unambiguous set of third person singular pronouns. "They" and "them" is already a fine set of gender indifferent plurals. It's "he", "she", "it", "his", "hers", "its" that we're having problems with.
  - jrockway 5y ago
    I feel like the current release of English can handle this fine. "It was very drama-free for Florian: <reddit link>" If you don't know someone's name, it could have been "it was very drama-free for at least one individual: <reddit link>".
  - beebmam 5y ago
    I kindly ask that we please leave this passive aggressive culture war stuff off HN
    - istjohn 5y ago
      Seems to me mutual respect and such niceties of civil society as being kind, respecting pronoun preferences, avoiding derogatory language, etc. are essential to making HN a worthwhile place to be.
davidkunz 5y ago
It's "free for him" according to https://foundation.rust-lang.org/posts/2021-04-08-introducing-florian-gilcher/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/posts/2021-04-08-introducin...
- lijogdfljk 5y ago
  Yea i just didn't care to look it up tbh. Generally i avoid such information about people and try to be generic. Though in this context it was ambiguous imo