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I really can’t see many use cases for web notifications apart from annoying sites trying to bug me. So I’m happy Apple haven’t supported it.

jtbayly 5y ago
I really want it supported, but I would also use it on most sites just like the pop-overs, cookie permission prompts, auto-play (and hover) videos, and paywalls—ie, to determine that I really don't care to use that site.
kecupochren 5y ago
It makes [0]PWAs much more viable. Not having push notifications was a major blocker to make "almost native" PWAs. I'm excited [0] https://web.dev/what-are-pwas/ https://web.dev/what-are-pwas/
rabuse 5y ago
My users would like to be informed when they receive messages/notifications from my platform's PWA, so there's that.
brimble 5y ago
100% of "use" of it I've seen on the desktop has been spammy sites no sane person would ever want to receive notifications from bugging me to enable them because I made the mistake of clicking them in search results, and my wife accidentally enabling notifications from random sites, getting spammed, and having no idea how they've managed to do that or how to disable it. That's why I've hoped Apple'd never support them on iOS, and wished they'd never supported it on desktop. As someone posted elsewhere in the thread, I hope Apple restricts requests to sites you've added as an "app" already. And I hope they find a way to keep sites from being able to tell you've "installed" them, so actually-useful sites or ones that I have no choice but to use (work, kids' school stuff) can't refuse to operate until I do that (I dunno, maybe they already do, I never "install" sites)
moron4hire 5y ago
Do you have notifications turned off in every native app you also use? The reason scummy linkspam websites are the "only" ones using web notifications these days is specifically because it's not a reliably useful feature. App developers who want to make a good user experience around notifications are instead pushed to making native apps instead. Personally, I don't use the native Twitter app anymore. I use the web version of Twitter, installed as an app, complete with shortcuts in my launchers. I have web notifications turned on and the experience is nearly identical to the native app. But there are little details that I think make it a better experience, like haptic feedback on mobile when clicking the Like button, or being able to select subsections of text on the screen. I have this on my Android phone, my Linux laptop, my Windows desktop, and my Mac Mini. It's exactly the same interface, everywhere, whereas the native app is ever so slightly different from the web app. I have a lot of sites that I've installed as apps on my computers and it's great: SoundCloud, LiChess, HBO Max, NetFlix, Azure Portal, TeamWork, a couple of different WebGL games, my own management interface for my app at work. It's all basically just a shortcut to the site, without the URL bar chrome. I like it a lot more than using tabs.

jtbayly 5y ago

I really want it supported, but I would also use it on most sites just like the pop-overs, cookie permission prompts, auto-play (and hover) videos, and paywalls—ie, to determine that I really don't care to use that site.

kecupochren 5y ago

It makes [0]PWAs much more viable. Not having push notifications was a major blocker to make "almost native" PWAs. I'm excited [0] https://web.dev/what-are-pwas/ https://web.dev/what-are-pwas/

rabuse 5y ago

My users would like to be informed when they receive messages/notifications from my platform's PWA, so there's that.

brimble 5y ago

100% of "use" of it I've seen on the desktop has been spammy sites no sane person would ever want to receive notifications from bugging me to enable them because I made the mistake of clicking them in search results, and my wife accidentally enabling notifications from random sites, getting spammed, and having no idea how they've managed to do that or how to disable it. That's why I've hoped Apple'd never support them on iOS, and wished they'd never supported it on desktop. As someone posted elsewhere in the thread, I hope Apple restricts requests to sites you've added as an "app" already. And I hope they find a way to keep sites from being able to tell you've "installed" them, so actually-useful sites or ones that I have no choice but to use (work, kids' school stuff) can't refuse to operate until I do that (I dunno, maybe they already do, I never "install" sites)

moron4hire 5y ago

Do you have notifications turned off in every native app you also use? The reason scummy linkspam websites are the "only" ones using web notifications these days is specifically because it's not a reliably useful feature. App developers who want to make a good user experience around notifications are instead pushed to making native apps instead. Personally, I don't use the native Twitter app anymore. I use the web version of Twitter, installed as an app, complete with shortcuts in my launchers. I have web notifications turned on and the experience is nearly identical to the native app. But there are little details that I think make it a better experience, like haptic feedback on mobile when clicking the Like button, or being able to select subsections of text on the screen. I have this on my Android phone, my Linux laptop, my Windows desktop, and my Mac Mini. It's exactly the same interface, everywhere, whereas the native app is ever so slightly different from the web app. I have a lot of sites that I've installed as apps on my computers and it's great: SoundCloud, LiChess, HBO Max, NetFlix, Azure Portal, TeamWork, a couple of different WebGL games, my own management interface for my app at work. It's all basically just a shortcut to the site, without the URL bar chrome. I like it a lot more than using tabs.