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> One could use green hydrogen. Ah yes. It's a thing that - can be cheaply produced at scale - can be easily transported to large distances - infrastructure

> One could use green hydrogen. Ah yes. It's a thing that - can be cheaply produced at scale - can be easily transported to large distances - infrastructure can be easily and quickly converted to using it

pfdietz 5y ago
Yes, all of those are likely going to be true. Are they true at this instant? Maybe not, but a nuclear plant we start building today also won't be available at this instant. Note that the application of green hydrogen I'm talking about here, grid backup, does not require replacing existing natural gas use with hydrogen. Nor does it require long distance hydrogen pipelines.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > Are they true at this instant? Maybe not, but There's no "but". The situation right now is that starry-eyed proponents of renewal energy sources claim that they have already surpassed nuclear etc. When in reality they can't cover the basics. And the answer to that? "Oh, yeah, sometime in the future there may be something to complement this". > Note that the application of green hydrogen I'm talking about here, grid backup, does not require replacing existing natural gas use with hydrogen. Nor does it require long distance hydrogen pipelines. Ah yes. Because green hydrogen just magically appeares every time you need it when you say "green hydrogen" three times
StillBored 5y ago
You probably know, but "cheap hydrogen" is produced from natural gas... lol.
- pfdietz 5y ago
  At present, with no CO2 fee. But this will not last.
bryanlarsen 5y ago
I assume you're being sarcastic. Hydrogen can escape through solid metal, making it brittle in the process. It's cheap to produce from natural gas, but that's not green hydrogen. Green hydrogen is a lot more expensive. It's also very voluminous unless liquified which requires a ton of energy and refrigeration to maintain.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > I assume you're being sarcastic. I am being extremely sarcastic, that's true :) For all the reasons you listed :)

pfdietz 5y ago

Yes, all of those are likely going to be true. Are they true at this instant? Maybe not, but a nuclear plant we start building today also won't be available at this instant. Note that the application of green hydrogen I'm talking about here, grid backup, does not require replacing existing natural gas use with hydrogen. Nor does it require long distance hydrogen pipelines.

dmitriid 5y ago
> Are they true at this instant? Maybe not, but There's no "but". The situation right now is that starry-eyed proponents of renewal energy sources claim that they have already surpassed nuclear etc. When in reality they can't cover the basics. And the answer to that? "Oh, yeah, sometime in the future there may be something to complement this". > Note that the application of green hydrogen I'm talking about here, grid backup, does not require replacing existing natural gas use with hydrogen. Nor does it require long distance hydrogen pipelines. Ah yes. Because green hydrogen just magically appeares every time you need it when you say "green hydrogen" three times

StillBored 5y ago

You probably know, but "cheap hydrogen" is produced from natural gas... lol.

pfdietz 5y ago
At present, with no CO2 fee. But this will not last.

bryanlarsen 5y ago

I assume you're being sarcastic. Hydrogen can escape through solid metal, making it brittle in the process. It's cheap to produce from natural gas, but that's not green hydrogen. Green hydrogen is a lot more expensive. It's also very voluminous unless liquified which requires a ton of energy and refrigeration to maintain.

dmitriid 5y ago
> I assume you're being sarcastic. I am being extremely sarcastic, that's true :) For all the reasons you listed :)