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If only. For all the "moar strong types" goodness C++ claimed, in practice there was very little. The same could have been achieved with stricter warnings, that

If only. For all the "moar strong types" goodness C++ claimed, in practice there was very little. The same could have been achieved with stricter warnings, that C compilers now have. With TypeScript at least you have the option to go from full dynamic typing auto cast madness to meaningful compile time checks. That being said, if I had to write a serious web app today (that is, something that absolutely requires client-side scripting), I would consider using JavaScript as a compilation target only, alongside WebAssembly.

galangalalgol 5y ago
Will wasm ever get direct access to the dom so that isn't needed? I keep wanting to jump into wasm, but I don't really want to learn any more javascript than I already know, which is just enough to play codespells and screeps. And I certainly don't want to learn a framework which seems to follow the madden nfl release schedule.
- loup-vaillant 5y ago
  Ideally I wouldn't learn a single thing about JavaScript, and go straight to WebAssembly. Possibly chose a language that already has a compiler for both so I don't even have to learn the standard. And no framework either, I'd do my own things with as few dependencies as I can possibly manage. No point tying myself to some protean monstrosity that breaks code every 6 months and is abandoned 5 years later. (OK, not a web dev, so I don't know about that last one. It's just what I glean from the web's reputation.)
pjmlp 5y ago
The compilers might have them, yet the large majority doesn't care they exist. Unless devops plugs them into the CI/CD pipeline with -Wall -Werror, most people will keep coding as they ever did. Why do you think Google is sponsoring KSPP and pushing C cleanups of bad code, despite all review processes that the kernel has?
- loup-vaillant 5y ago
  Goodness, I'm running a zero-warning policy with -Wall -Wextra all the time. They have removed tons of bugs in my code before I even touch the first sanitizer, they're my first line of defence.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Here a hard reality of how much people care, https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2021/07/cpp-ecosystem-in-2021 https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2021/07/cpp-ecosystem-in-20... You will find similar results in other surveys.

galangalalgol 5y ago

Will wasm ever get direct access to the dom so that isn't needed? I keep wanting to jump into wasm, but I don't really want to learn any more javascript than I already know, which is just enough to play codespells and screeps. And I certainly don't want to learn a framework which seems to follow the madden nfl release schedule.

loup-vaillant 5y ago
Ideally I wouldn't learn a single thing about JavaScript, and go straight to WebAssembly. Possibly chose a language that already has a compiler for both so I don't even have to learn the standard. And no framework either, I'd do my own things with as few dependencies as I can possibly manage. No point tying myself to some protean monstrosity that breaks code every 6 months and is abandoned 5 years later. (OK, not a web dev, so I don't know about that last one. It's just what I glean from the web's reputation.)

pjmlp 5y ago

The compilers might have them, yet the large majority doesn't care they exist. Unless devops plugs them into the CI/CD pipeline with -Wall -Werror, most people will keep coding as they ever did. Why do you think Google is sponsoring KSPP and pushing C cleanups of bad code, despite all review processes that the kernel has?

loup-vaillant 5y ago
Goodness, I'm running a zero-warning policy with -Wall -Wextra all the time. They have removed tons of bugs in my code before I even touch the first sanitizer, they're my first line of defence.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Here a hard reality of how much people care, https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2021/07/cpp-ecosystem-in-2021 https://blog.jetbrains.com/clion/2021/07/cpp-ecosystem-in-20... You will find similar results in other surveys.