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The claims around "scalable" and "self-healing" are very vague indeed. Yggdrasil is just an overlay over the existing Internet, not a replacement, which remove

The claims around "scalable" and "self-healing" are very vague indeed. Yggdrasil is just an overlay over the existing Internet, not a replacement, which removes a lot of its usefulness. Perhaps this means, in theory, that if you switch between multiple ISPs (e.g. phone + ADSL) or have dynamic IPv4 address, the IPv6 connectivity over Yggdrasil will stay the same.

thomaszander 5y ago
First of all, its is a research project. The owners are very clear about that and love to repeat its lack of any guarantees ;-) Personally I've been using it for a while and its indeed living up to its promises, but ymmd. It is indeed an overlay network by the simple rule of that being something that people can use. Technically the guys require the underlying protocol to keep order (one after another) in the packages for the stuff to work. Which is why building it on top of tcp/ip makes sense. Note that the ordering requirement is likely to be removed in a future iteration, again this is a research project. Ideas like doing a mesh using antenna's in your city are thus, for now, out of reach. But the core concepts and approaches will likely map very nicely to such a usecase and the lessons learned as an overlay will help such a future design. The public network is currently around 4000 nodes, which is why "scalable" is indeed meant to be vague. Tests of a million nodes are going to be required, probably in a future protocol iteration, to make clear statements about how scalable it really is. Signs are good, DHT usage is still very low while we saw a doubling of network size in the last 6 months. In short, I use it daily. It works for me.
- goodpoint 5y ago
  Reading https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/about.html https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/about.html it's even more unclear. They claim to have invented something much better than traditional routing but there is no mention of how Yggdrasing perform bandwidth/latency/cost-aware routing.
  - thomaszander 5y ago
    If you are interested, I suggest you stop by on the matrix room and chat about the different topics. Its rather large and I'm not a developer on the project, just someone learning from those better than me. Mostly in that room. #yggdrasil:matrix.org
t3476 5y ago
Yggdrasil doesn't need Internet but existing IPv6/IPv4. Ad-hoc Wifi or local router with multicast support is enough for Yggdrasil to run automatically.

thomaszander 5y ago

First of all, its is a research project. The owners are very clear about that and love to repeat its lack of any guarantees ;-) Personally I've been using it for a while and its indeed living up to its promises, but ymmd. It is indeed an overlay network by the simple rule of that being something that people can use. Technically the guys require the underlying protocol to keep order (one after another) in the packages for the stuff to work. Which is why building it on top of tcp/ip makes sense. Note that the ordering requirement is likely to be removed in a future iteration, again this is a research project. Ideas like doing a mesh using antenna's in your city are thus, for now, out of reach. But the core concepts and approaches will likely map very nicely to such a usecase and the lessons learned as an overlay will help such a future design. The public network is currently around 4000 nodes, which is why "scalable" is indeed meant to be vague. Tests of a million nodes are going to be required, probably in a future protocol iteration, to make clear statements about how scalable it really is. Signs are good, DHT usage is still very low while we saw a doubling of network size in the last 6 months. In short, I use it daily. It works for me.

goodpoint 5y ago
Reading https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/about.html https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/about.html it's even more unclear. They claim to have invented something much better than traditional routing but there is no mention of how Yggdrasing perform bandwidth/latency/cost-aware routing.
- thomaszander 5y ago
  If you are interested, I suggest you stop by on the matrix room and chat about the different topics. Its rather large and I'm not a developer on the project, just someone learning from those better than me. Mostly in that room. #yggdrasil:matrix.org

t3476 5y ago

Yggdrasil doesn't need Internet but existing IPv6/IPv4. Ad-hoc Wifi or local router with multicast support is enough for Yggdrasil to run automatically.