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Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?

litgab 5y ago
The directory linked in the article actually contains a captcha service called FriendlyCaptcha: https://www.developedin.eu/item-detail?recordId=recG9DsaUnGdWmiR0 https://www.developedin.eu/item-detail?recordId=recG9DsaUnGd...
- hijodelsol 5y ago
  From a first look it seems like the subscription requires to use that service in a EU-only fashion costs at least 200$. While this seems like a good option for large and medium size companies, I fear that this pricing leaves out all small companies that may not require 50k solved captchas a month but may require EU-based hosting nonetheless.
iamacyborg 5y ago
Or things like Stripe’s anti fraud js script.
piaste 5y ago
FriendlyCaptcha will probably get a ton of new business. It's what some EU institutions themselves use.
- schleck8 5y ago
  I sure hope so
jpoesen 5y ago
https://www.hcaptcha.com/ https://www.hcaptcha.com/ is a drop-in replacement for recaptcha. It's not EU based, but at least it's not Google, and the service is privacy oriented...
- gmueckl 5y ago
  It's run by Intuition Machines, Inc. which seems to be incorporated in California. That fact alone disqualifies it.
  - eatbots 5y ago
    Actually, no. hCaptcha has always been very privacy-focused, so in this case there are technical safeguards available: enterprise customers can pre-blind all data on their end, meaning hCaptcha gets no PII at all. (disclosure: work there)
    - floatingatoll 5y ago
      If y’all write a blog post about how your preblinding option makes you GDPR-compliant for silent embedding even though you’re a US entity, that would be front page material right now.
Terry_Roll 5y ago
And the more this happens, the worse the search results will get because measuring popularity of a link and time spent on a website needs to be measured for ranking purposes, next time someone used the same search term.
- bsagdiyev 5y ago
  Google search seemed to work fine before that stuff was tracked.
  - qwytw 5y ago
    That's because way less people were trying to game it.
    - floatingatoll 5y ago
      And because websites used to link to other websites for non-profitable reasons (blogs, directories, and webrings).
- ohgodplsno 5y ago
  *according to Google. I spend 5 minutes on american recipe websites to scroll through the SEO bullshit before finding the actual recipe, but that doesn't mean it's useful. So, no, it's just Google telling you to let them collect analytics on every aspect of your life for "search improvement purposes".
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  also the worse the search results will get if someone put a bunch of ads in before the search results for people to click on instead of the search results.
closewith 5y ago
Google Analytics is very hard to replace, because the real value to businesses is in the integrations with Google Ads and Search Console. There's no viable alternative to Google's advertising networks at the minute.
- thedevelopnik 5y ago
  This. We use a non-Google analytics product that we could even move to self-hosting if needed. But the marketing director basically was like “This is better than GA, and I will use it for almost everything, but we have to have GA also because it shows as conversions.”
  - yorwba 5y ago
    Which non-Google analytics product are you using?
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floatingatoll 5y ago
And GCP.

The directory linked in the article actually contains a captcha service called FriendlyCaptcha: https://www.developedin.eu/item-detail?recordId=recG9DsaUnGdWmiR0 https://www.developedin.eu/item-detail?recordId=recG9DsaUnGd...

hijodelsol 5y ago
From a first look it seems like the subscription requires to use that service in a EU-only fashion costs at least 200$. While this seems like a good option for large and medium size companies, I fear that this pricing leaves out all small companies that may not require 50k solved captchas a month but may require EU-based hosting nonetheless.

iamacyborg 5y ago

Or things like Stripe’s anti fraud js script.

piaste 5y ago

FriendlyCaptcha will probably get a ton of new business. It's what some EU institutions themselves use.

schleck8 5y ago
I sure hope so

jpoesen 5y ago

https://www.hcaptcha.com/ https://www.hcaptcha.com/ is a drop-in replacement for recaptcha. It's not EU based, but at least it's not Google, and the service is privacy oriented...

gmueckl 5y ago
It's run by Intuition Machines, Inc. which seems to be incorporated in California. That fact alone disqualifies it.
- eatbots 5y ago
  Actually, no. hCaptcha has always been very privacy-focused, so in this case there are technical safeguards available: enterprise customers can pre-blind all data on their end, meaning hCaptcha gets no PII at all. (disclosure: work there)
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    If y’all write a blog post about how your preblinding option makes you GDPR-compliant for silent embedding even though you’re a US entity, that would be front page material right now.

Terry_Roll 5y ago

And the more this happens, the worse the search results will get because measuring popularity of a link and time spent on a website needs to be measured for ranking purposes, next time someone used the same search term.

bsagdiyev 5y ago
Google search seemed to work fine before that stuff was tracked.
- qwytw 5y ago
  That's because way less people were trying to game it.
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    And because websites used to link to other websites for non-profitable reasons (blogs, directories, and webrings).
ohgodplsno 5y ago
*according to Google. I spend 5 minutes on american recipe websites to scroll through the SEO bullshit before finding the actual recipe, but that doesn't mean it's useful. So, no, it's just Google telling you to let them collect analytics on every aspect of your life for "search improvement purposes".
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
also the worse the search results will get if someone put a bunch of ads in before the search results for people to click on instead of the search results.

closewith 5y ago

Google Analytics is very hard to replace, because the real value to businesses is in the integrations with Google Ads and Search Console. There's no viable alternative to Google's advertising networks at the minute.

thedevelopnik 5y ago
This. We use a non-Google analytics product that we could even move to self-hosting if needed. But the marketing director basically was like “This is better than GA, and I will use it for almost everything, but we have to have GA also because it shows as conversions.”
- yorwba 5y ago
  Which non-Google analytics product are you using?

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floatingatoll 5y ago

And GCP.