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> That doesn't say that CCS is better, it says that it's what the local auto industry demanded in an attempt to freeze out competition. No, you have this exact

> That doesn't say that CCS is better, it says that it's what the local auto industry demanded in an attempt to freeze out competition. No, you have this exactly backwards. Common infrastructure standards are what enable competition. New manufacturers can enter the European EV market without wondering what plug to support. New charging networks can build out knowing that they can support all cars on the same plug. Proprietary plugs freeze out competition by their very nature. > CHAdeMO would have been the objectively better choice. No, CHAdeMO 2.0 had no roadmap to 500 kW whereas CCS has for a long time. CHAdeMO also has no AC charging support and requires two separate inlets for DC and AC. CCS has AC by virtue of its combo design only needing the one combo inlet. CHAdeMO 3.0 has changed the plug design to be a DC and AC combo like CCS, but with control pins in the DC part. > it's worth noting that the market leader in Europe is still the company offering an integrated brand-specific charging system No, Volkswagen is the EV market leader in Europe by quite some margin: https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/ALL/Groups/Year/2021 https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/ALL/Groups/Year/2021 Volkswagen owns many automotive brands (VW, Audi, Skoda, SEAT, Porsche, etc.) so sales are split across more brands and models: https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/group.html https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/group.html

ajross 5y ago
> No, CHAdeMO 2.0 had no roadmap to 500 kW whereas CCS has for a long time. We're talking about decisions made in 2013-14! And it topped out at 400 kW, a power that no one is delivering on a public charger yet anyway. Just stop. Tesla was the clearly superior technology at the time. CHAdeMO wasn't as good but was still much better than CCS, which everyone else picked anyway because they wanted to retard the BEV market. CCS is, as I said upthread, just a terrible, terrible standard. By design.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > We're talking about decisions made in 2013-14! Yes, you have to think forward. > And it topped out at 400 kW So not as fast as CCS. Tesla's proprietary plug is also still not as a fast as CCS. The fastest charging cars on the road today are CCS cars. > CCS is, as I said upthread, just a terrible, terrible standard. By design. Conspiracy theories will get you nowhere in life. CCS is the dominant standard globally. That "terrible, terrible standard" has done well for itself. What you should moan about is the fact that Tesla still hasn't switched to CCS in North America. The longer they delay the switch, the more it will cost.

ajross 5y ago

> No, CHAdeMO 2.0 had no roadmap to 500 kW whereas CCS has for a long time. We're talking about decisions made in 2013-14! And it topped out at 400 kW, a power that no one is delivering on a public charger yet anyway. Just stop. Tesla was the clearly superior technology at the time. CHAdeMO wasn't as good but was still much better than CCS, which everyone else picked anyway because they wanted to retard the BEV market. CCS is, as I said upthread, just a terrible, terrible standard. By design.

clouddrover 5y ago
> We're talking about decisions made in 2013-14! Yes, you have to think forward. > And it topped out at 400 kW So not as fast as CCS. Tesla's proprietary plug is also still not as a fast as CCS. The fastest charging cars on the road today are CCS cars. > CCS is, as I said upthread, just a terrible, terrible standard. By design. Conspiracy theories will get you nowhere in life. CCS is the dominant standard globally. That "terrible, terrible standard" has done well for itself. What you should moan about is the fact that Tesla still hasn't switched to CCS in North America. The longer they delay the switch, the more it will cost.