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I expected this reply. It doesn’t make the war about freedom of speech, it makes the war about resisting invasion (for Britain). The Britain of the time had a

I expected this reply. It doesn’t make the war about freedom of speech, it makes the war about resisting invasion (for Britain). The Britain of the time had a tremendous desire to censor things they deemed unseemly which lasted long past the end of the war - see for example various obscenity trials regarding the publication of books in the 60s and 70s.

mlyle 5y ago
> It doesn’t make the war about freedom of speech, it makes the war about resisting invasion (for Britain). Yah, but fighting to resist invasion also means fighting to preserve values and legal protections. [which may not have been the best in the world then, or interpreted as we'd interpret those values now, but still were better than the alternative].
- jackvalentine 5y ago
  Yes, values and legal protections which didn’t include freedom of speech.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  > Yah, but fighting to resist invasion also means fighting to preserve values and legal protections. An invasion is the same whether you are being invaded by people who believe in free speech or by people who don't. WWII was in no way about free speech. Germany was invading other countries not to impose their values and compelled speech, but to create "living space" and take their resources for the "German people". People war opposing this because they didn't want to be killed, nor did they want to serve the "German people" nor did they want their resources to belong to Germany. Nothing much would have changed in the opposition to German occupation if Germany had been a democracy with equality for all and deep protection for free speech, but still hell bent on conquering and controlling all of Europe.
tim333 5y ago
>the war about resisting invasion (for Britain). It wasn't about resisting Britain being invaded if that's what you mean, it was the invasion of Poland that kicked it off. Rather similar to the current where we are resisting Russia invading Ukraine. Hitler didn't want to fight the UK. He wanted to partner with us to take over the other 'racially inferior' countries.

mlyle 5y ago

> It doesn’t make the war about freedom of speech, it makes the war about resisting invasion (for Britain). Yah, but fighting to resist invasion also means fighting to preserve values and legal protections. [which may not have been the best in the world then, or interpreted as we'd interpret those values now, but still were better than the alternative].

jackvalentine 5y ago
Yes, values and legal protections which didn’t include freedom of speech.
tsimionescu 5y ago
> Yah, but fighting to resist invasion also means fighting to preserve values and legal protections. An invasion is the same whether you are being invaded by people who believe in free speech or by people who don't. WWII was in no way about free speech. Germany was invading other countries not to impose their values and compelled speech, but to create "living space" and take their resources for the "German people". People war opposing this because they didn't want to be killed, nor did they want to serve the "German people" nor did they want their resources to belong to Germany. Nothing much would have changed in the opposition to German occupation if Germany had been a democracy with equality for all and deep protection for free speech, but still hell bent on conquering and controlling all of Europe.

tim333 5y ago

>the war about resisting invasion (for Britain). It wasn't about resisting Britain being invaded if that's what you mean, it was the invasion of Poland that kicked it off. Rather similar to the current where we are resisting Russia invading Ukraine. Hitler didn't want to fight the UK. He wanted to partner with us to take over the other 'racially inferior' countries.