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Be careful. The infinite sum of epsilons over an infinite domain and over the time domain can and usually does converge to a finite value in real life. Also, y

Be careful. The infinite sum of epsilons over an infinite domain and over the time domain can and usually does converge to a finite value in real life. Also, you can avoid having sex with a HIV-positive person. You can probably not avoid driving. So the fact that a risk may be low is not sufficient to take such risk if you can hedge against it.

Retric 5y ago
It is because everyone dies relatively quickly that you can ignore ultra low risks. Suppose your lifespan was potentially 1 trillion years, how low would your risk tolerance need to be? Meanwhile doing some once a day with a 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance of possibility killing you in 40 years just isn’t worth considering.
- mlyle 5y ago
  > Suppose your lifespan was potentially 1 trillion years, how low would your risk tolerance need to be? Depends what your quality lifespan is. If I get sick of everything, that time isn't worth much. There's also a "time-value" of life. Cool stuff I can do today may be worth a lot more to me than things I can do 500B years from now. Especially since the person that would be doing them is someone I cannot identify with at all.
  - Retric 5y ago
    I don’t think most peoples 25 year old self can really identify what their 85 year old self will be like. Yet saving for retirement isn’t just about them some time in the future it’s about making you feel better now.
    - mlyle 5y ago
      > I don’t think most peoples 25 year old self can really identify what their 85 year old self will be like. Yes, and I believe this is a reason why people make choices that adversely affect their 50 year old self. Who's that guy in the future going to be? Why should I care about making it better for him?
      - Retric 5y ago
        You could say the same thing about people drinking heavily only to wake up the next day with a massive hangover. So it isn’t the differences between them that’s causing people to screw over their future self.
        mlyle 5y ago
        I can't comprehend 1000-year-from-now me. I don't think I would take many actions to improve life for 1000-year-from-now me even if I knew I could live millennia. Doing so does not buy me any comfort today and does not let me "give" to any person that I identify with or recognize as part of me. I can imagine time scales on a par with how long I've lived and to a lesser extent to the ages of people I identify with. (500 year from now me would see the first paragraph as exceptionally foolish... and also inevitable. But that fact doesn't change the truth of what I'm saying).
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Retric 5y ago

It is because everyone dies relatively quickly that you can ignore ultra low risks. Suppose your lifespan was potentially 1 trillion years, how low would your risk tolerance need to be? Meanwhile doing some once a day with a 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance of possibility killing you in 40 years just isn’t worth considering.

mlyle 5y ago
> Suppose your lifespan was potentially 1 trillion years, how low would your risk tolerance need to be? Depends what your quality lifespan is. If I get sick of everything, that time isn't worth much. There's also a "time-value" of life. Cool stuff I can do today may be worth a lot more to me than things I can do 500B years from now. Especially since the person that would be doing them is someone I cannot identify with at all.
- Retric 5y ago
  I don’t think most peoples 25 year old self can really identify what their 85 year old self will be like. Yet saving for retirement isn’t just about them some time in the future it’s about making you feel better now.
  - mlyle 5y ago
    > I don’t think most peoples 25 year old self can really identify what their 85 year old self will be like. Yes, and I believe this is a reason why people make choices that adversely affect their 50 year old self. Who's that guy in the future going to be? Why should I care about making it better for him?
    - Retric 5y ago
      You could say the same thing about people drinking heavily only to wake up the next day with a massive hangover. So it isn’t the differences between them that’s causing people to screw over their future self.
      - mlyle 5y ago
        I can't comprehend 1000-year-from-now me. I don't think I would take many actions to improve life for 1000-year-from-now me even if I knew I could live millennia. Doing so does not buy me any comfort today and does not let me "give" to any person that I identify with or recognize as part of me. I can imagine time scales on a par with how long I've lived and to a lesser extent to the ages of people I identify with. (500 year from now me would see the first paragraph as exceptionally foolish... and also inevitable. But that fact doesn't change the truth of what I'm saying).
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