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Facebook is not anonymous and has all the same crap. In any case, it's a thing now. And when you shut it down in one place shows up in another. I really do thin

Facebook is not anonymous and has all the same crap. In any case, it's a thing now. And when you shut it down in one place shows up in another. I really do think it's a problem with humans that this stuff just brought to the surface. It was always there with bullying and passive aggressive viciousness and in private conversations everywhere, now it's just in the sunshine. All this stuff is in people's brains. Silencing it isn't going to fix that.

TulliusCicero 5y ago
> Also, it's kind of irrelevant to toxicity as Facebook proves since that's not anonymous at all yet you find the same thing. FB is still really bad, but in my experience it really depends on whether it's arguing with internet randos vs people you're actually friends -- or friends-of-friends -- with. The former is still horrible, but that's because you're nearly anonymous when it comes to someone across the country. I think it's not as bad as some internet comments though, people are more hesitant to say the really blatantly racist or murder-y stuff on something attached to their real name. It still happens, but not as often. When people are arguing with those they actually know on FB, I find they hold back a lot more. They can still be mean, but they don't go as extreme.
- guerrilla 5y ago
  (Sorry rewrote my comment a bit on you but your reply still makes sense) > When people are arguing with those they actually know on FB, I find they hold back a lot more. They can still be mean, but they don't go as extreme. This is what I mean by it's a societal/human problem though, that there is something to hold back... I say that is the root of it.
  - TulliusCicero 5y ago
    Hmm I guess I agree in a sense. A couple things to keep in mind though: * Humans largely evolved in small tribes/bands. We just weren't built for communicating with and relating to potentially thousands or millions at a time. Not a surprise then if there are some 'bugs' lurking. * Even sans the internet, while you may not have had this particular problem, you definitely had some others. I'm reminded of a part of The World Until Yesterday where the author talks about little kids in a non-state tribe spontaneously celebrating around the corpse of an enemy tribe member that had been killed. By modern internet standards, all of those little kids are sociopaths, or maybe the adults that raised them are all sociopaths, because according to many people today, any sort of obvious 'darkness' in human personality, like a tendency for violence, makes you a sociopath. I think the reality is that yeah, parts of our peronalities are fucked up, but that's essentially normal. It may even be a feature, rather than a bug. Anyway yeah, you could view it as a part of human nature that's just revealed by new technology.

TulliusCicero 5y ago

> Also, it's kind of irrelevant to toxicity as Facebook proves since that's not anonymous at all yet you find the same thing. FB is still really bad, but in my experience it really depends on whether it's arguing with internet randos vs people you're actually friends -- or friends-of-friends -- with. The former is still horrible, but that's because you're nearly anonymous when it comes to someone across the country. I think it's not as bad as some internet comments though, people are more hesitant to say the really blatantly racist or murder-y stuff on something attached to their real name. It still happens, but not as often. When people are arguing with those they actually know on FB, I find they hold back a lot more. They can still be mean, but they don't go as extreme.

guerrilla 5y ago
(Sorry rewrote my comment a bit on you but your reply still makes sense) > When people are arguing with those they actually know on FB, I find they hold back a lot more. They can still be mean, but they don't go as extreme. This is what I mean by it's a societal/human problem though, that there is something to hold back... I say that is the root of it.
- TulliusCicero 5y ago
  Hmm I guess I agree in a sense. A couple things to keep in mind though: * Humans largely evolved in small tribes/bands. We just weren't built for communicating with and relating to potentially thousands or millions at a time. Not a surprise then if there are some 'bugs' lurking. * Even sans the internet, while you may not have had this particular problem, you definitely had some others. I'm reminded of a part of The World Until Yesterday where the author talks about little kids in a non-state tribe spontaneously celebrating around the corpse of an enemy tribe member that had been killed. By modern internet standards, all of those little kids are sociopaths, or maybe the adults that raised them are all sociopaths, because according to many people today, any sort of obvious 'darkness' in human personality, like a tendency for violence, makes you a sociopath. I think the reality is that yeah, parts of our peronalities are fucked up, but that's essentially normal. It may even be a feature, rather than a bug. Anyway yeah, you could view it as a part of human nature that's just revealed by new technology.