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An example of what happens when you "speak out" (read: do anything but be servile) in India: https://twitter.com/Reashiee/status/1484811188844199936 https://twi

An example of what happens when you "speak out" (read: do anything but be servile) in India: https://twitter.com/Reashiee/status/1484811188844199936 https://twitter.com/Reashiee/status/1484811188844199936 > Many times, I wish that our Indian contract workers, would speak out when they see something wrong, about process, quality, or business requests. > our US-born hires are way quicker to say something to management if they feel something is wrong Apparently the obvious and easy solution here is to only get US-born hires. So why don't you?

kelnos 5y ago
> Apparently the obvious and easy solution here is to only get US-born hires. So why don't you? This seems to be an unnecessarily aggressive take on it. If I (an American) were working for an Indian company, I would plan to learn and understand what the culture is like in Indian companies, and then do my best to conform to that. If I didn't believe I'd feel comfortable in that environment, then I wouldn't take the job. I would expect an Indian working at an American company to do the same. I get that it can be difficult, and that some of these cultural things aren't just company culture, but are deeply ingrained, real cultural differences between people of different backgrounds. Having said all that, I do think a US manager who hires reports from India (or from any other country with a different culture than the US) should be aware of what cultural differences exist, and try to meet their employees in the middle as much as they can. I do agree with the grandparent, though, that I don't want to work with people who are "obedient", at least in the way I'm guessing the great-grandparent meant (perhaps I'm inferring the meaning incorrectly, though). I agree that I want people who won't just do what management says, and will instead apply critical thinking to the work they get assigned, and question things that don't make sense.
- Slaminerag 5y ago
  I remember reading about a team (I think in Japan) which had a "brash foreigner." If someone noticed something, they'd mention it to the foreigner, who would bring it up with higher ups. Everybody won. Problems got fixed, the foreigner was safe because they "didn't know better," and their coworkers felt safe.
  - TehShrike 5y ago
    I was today years old when I discovered that the perfect job for me does exist
    - scrollaway 5y ago
      FYI, if you want that job and don't happen to be in Japan, this is exactly what consultants are hired for in many cases: To be a blunt voice of reason in an environment which isn't able to listen to itself. I've many times been hired in companies to say things employees didn't have the political clout to say out loud. If anything goes wrong, or someone isn't happy, I'm the fall guy.
      - LilBytes 5y ago
        If it's a fair comparison, I was the FTE equivalent and got promoted to a position where I couldn't piss anyone off any more. I ended up quitting and they replaced me with a contractor who did the same at 4x the cost.

kelnos 5y ago

> Apparently the obvious and easy solution here is to only get US-born hires. So why don't you? This seems to be an unnecessarily aggressive take on it. If I (an American) were working for an Indian company, I would plan to learn and understand what the culture is like in Indian companies, and then do my best to conform to that. If I didn't believe I'd feel comfortable in that environment, then I wouldn't take the job. I would expect an Indian working at an American company to do the same. I get that it can be difficult, and that some of these cultural things aren't just company culture, but are deeply ingrained, real cultural differences between people of different backgrounds. Having said all that, I do think a US manager who hires reports from India (or from any other country with a different culture than the US) should be aware of what cultural differences exist, and try to meet their employees in the middle as much as they can. I do agree with the grandparent, though, that I don't want to work with people who are "obedient", at least in the way I'm guessing the great-grandparent meant (perhaps I'm inferring the meaning incorrectly, though). I agree that I want people who won't just do what management says, and will instead apply critical thinking to the work they get assigned, and question things that don't make sense.

Slaminerag 5y ago
I remember reading about a team (I think in Japan) which had a "brash foreigner." If someone noticed something, they'd mention it to the foreigner, who would bring it up with higher ups. Everybody won. Problems got fixed, the foreigner was safe because they "didn't know better," and their coworkers felt safe.
- TehShrike 5y ago
  I was today years old when I discovered that the perfect job for me does exist
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    FYI, if you want that job and don't happen to be in Japan, this is exactly what consultants are hired for in many cases: To be a blunt voice of reason in an environment which isn't able to listen to itself. I've many times been hired in companies to say things employees didn't have the political clout to say out loud. If anything goes wrong, or someone isn't happy, I'm the fall guy.
    - LilBytes 5y ago
      If it's a fair comparison, I was the FTE equivalent and got promoted to a position where I couldn't piss anyone off any more. I ended up quitting and they replaced me with a contractor who did the same at 4x the cost.