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It's insane to me that people are arguing in favor of the advertisement companies simply because they pay the content creators a sliver of what they accept from

by xyst 5y ago

It's insane to me that people are arguing in favor of the advertisement companies simply because they pay the content creators a sliver of what they accept from the companies that use their ad platform. Here's my take. It's not "piracy" or "ethical piracy" (what the fuck?). The content creators put it out on YT with the expectation that it will get viewed. The little money they receive now is simply a bonus. It's only piracy if the content creator put it out on a platform for some dollar amount (ie, direct to consumer model) and then it is later re-uploaded for free by another channel or via other means.. In other words, you can't claim piracy when the "price" is $0 up front. As for YT, I don't really care. They are subsidized by the data that is fed to them (ie, viewing history) and resold to advertisers. They get their nut. If anything, this should really push the forefront on innovation for a decentralized video streaming platform. One organization or group should not have this much power over who gets the "top views" via a proprietary algorithm.

judge2020 5y ago
The price of things don't have to be represented in dollar amounts. If I want to give you a free iPad for watching my 2 hour lecture, I don't expect you to put on some sunglasses and take a nap for 1 hour 55 minutes. If you do that, I don't have to give you that iPad even if you sued me for it. Piracy in general is just 'unauthorized use'[0]. YouTube requires you watch ads to use their website, so not doing that is piracy. The only reason there's no consequences for adblock are because (A) it'd be bad optics and bad PR to sue regular viewers, and (B) YouTube sees the value of subsidizing those who block ads as a plus, since it means they can keep their tight grip on where 'everyone' goes to watch videos and thus where creators are required to upload if they want people to see their stuff. If they blocked ~37% [1] of viewers with adblock, different services more lenient to ad blockers (at first) would be able to actually attract viewers and perhaps get the content creators to start dual-uploading their content. 0: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30151590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30151590
- commoner 5y ago
  > YouTube requires you watch ads to use their website, so not doing that is piracy. Piracy is another word for copyright infringement. Blocking ads on YouTube is not piracy because you are not violating copyright law (in any country that I'm aware of) by viewing only a portion of the content that is delivered to you. DVRs do the same thing as ad blockers for TVs, but in the U.S., the courts have ruled that DVR services do not infringe the copyrights of media companies.[1] YouTube and other Google services don't forbid ad blocking in their terms of service.[2] If they did, there would be an uproar because Google itself includes an ad blocker in Chrome, which of course does not block any YouTube or Google ads.[3] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/business-us-cablevision-court-dvr-idCNTRE55S38520090629 https://www.reuters.com/article/business-us-cablevision-cour... [2] https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms [3] https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/7632919 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/7632919
  - judge2020 5y ago
    > which of course does not block any YouTube or Google ads I've seen it block Google ads a few times on this one website which cycles through them every minute. It says the ad 'used too many resources and Chrome has killed it'.

by xyst 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

The price of things don't have to be represented in dollar amounts. If I want to give you a free iPad for watching my 2 hour lecture, I don't expect you to put on some sunglasses and take a nap for 1 hour 55 minutes. If you do that, I don't have to give you that iPad even if you sued me for it. Piracy in general is just 'unauthorized use'[0]. YouTube requires you watch ads to use their website, so not doing that is piracy. The only reason there's no consequences for adblock are because (A) it'd be bad optics and bad PR to sue regular viewers, and (B) YouTube sees the value of subsidizing those who block ads as a plus, since it means they can keep their tight grip on where 'everyone' goes to watch videos and thus where creators are required to upload if they want people to see their stuff. If they blocked ~37% [1] of viewers with adblock, different services more lenient to ad blockers (at first) would be able to actually attract viewers and perhaps get the content creators to start dual-uploading their content. 0: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/piracy 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30151590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30151590

commoner 5y ago
> YouTube requires you watch ads to use their website, so not doing that is piracy. Piracy is another word for copyright infringement. Blocking ads on YouTube is not piracy because you are not violating copyright law (in any country that I'm aware of) by viewing only a portion of the content that is delivered to you. DVRs do the same thing as ad blockers for TVs, but in the U.S., the courts have ruled that DVR services do not infringe the copyrights of media companies.[1] YouTube and other Google services don't forbid ad blocking in their terms of service.[2] If they did, there would be an uproar because Google itself includes an ad blocker in Chrome, which of course does not block any YouTube or Google ads.[3] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/business-us-cablevision-court-dvr-idCNTRE55S38520090629 https://www.reuters.com/article/business-us-cablevision-cour... [2] https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms [3] https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/7632919 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/7632919
- judge2020 5y ago
  > which of course does not block any YouTube or Google ads I've seen it block Google ads a few times on this one website which cycles through them every minute. It says the ad 'used too many resources and Chrome has killed it'.