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>> Expected range plummeted from 500km to 300km. Actual range was more like 250km, probably thanks to the cold temperatures. It is currently -17c where I am.

>> Expected range plummeted from 500km to 300km. Actual range was more like 250km, probably thanks to the cold temperatures. It is currently -17c where I am. Expected to go down to -28c in the next couple days. A 250km range in winter is simply unacceptable in my area (northernish canada). That is only a couple hours at highway speeds. But the real killer remains the absolute temperature limits on the batteries. If it cannot handle -45c without invalidating some warranty, then it just isn't useable. I cannot afford to spend that sort of money on something that I cannot park outside.

xxpor 5y ago
Where it can get that cold, are outlets near parking spots common for block heaters?
- sandworm101 5y ago
  Common? They are ubiquitous. You won't see them at the mall, but every job location has them. At my work there are 4-foot poles at the end of every parking stall (1-pole for 4 spots) with outlets for everyone. The reality is that most cars start easily down to about -20 without external heat. But those outlets mean nothing in term of whether I can buy an EV. If the power goes out then we loose those outlets. Or what if I need to park somewhere without outlets such as at the airport? It is one thing for a car to not start. You can always tow it and warm it up somewhere else. But a car that will take damage if it gets cold is totally unacceptable.
  - xxpor 5y ago
    I agree with you, which makes me think that there's a misconception here. That seems completely insane, you can't predict the weather, especially say if you've parked at the airport for 2 weeks. Looking at the current Tesla warrenty: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/tesla-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/tesla-ne... I think your info might be just out of date. I don't see any references to specific temps, just normal don't be dumb stuff (like exposing the battery to a fire) I did find this from 2014 though: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/battery-warranty-and-temperature-below-30c-22f.32621/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/battery-warranty-and... This says the warranty at the time said: • Exposing the vehicle to ambient temperatures above 140°F (60°C) or below -22°F (-30°C) for more than 24 hours at a time” So it sounds like they took it out eventually?

xxpor 5y ago

Where it can get that cold, are outlets near parking spots common for block heaters?

sandworm101 5y ago
Common? They are ubiquitous. You won't see them at the mall, but every job location has them. At my work there are 4-foot poles at the end of every parking stall (1-pole for 4 spots) with outlets for everyone. The reality is that most cars start easily down to about -20 without external heat. But those outlets mean nothing in term of whether I can buy an EV. If the power goes out then we loose those outlets. Or what if I need to park somewhere without outlets such as at the airport? It is one thing for a car to not start. You can always tow it and warm it up somewhere else. But a car that will take damage if it gets cold is totally unacceptable.
- xxpor 5y ago
  I agree with you, which makes me think that there's a misconception here. That seems completely insane, you can't predict the weather, especially say if you've parked at the airport for 2 weeks. Looking at the current Tesla warrenty: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/tesla-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/tesla-ne... I think your info might be just out of date. I don't see any references to specific temps, just normal don't be dumb stuff (like exposing the battery to a fire) I did find this from 2014 though: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/battery-warranty-and-temperature-below-30c-22f.32621/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/battery-warranty-and... This says the warranty at the time said: • Exposing the vehicle to ambient temperatures above 140°F (60°C) or below -22°F (-30°C) for more than 24 hours at a time” So it sounds like they took it out eventually?