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Website owners no longer have a choice. Brave is incentivized to add ads to otherwise ad-free websites, and apparently does so as Matthew Butterick complains ab

Website owners no longer have a choice. Brave is incentivized to add ads to otherwise ad-free websites, and apparently does so as Matthew Butterick complains about; https://practicaltypography.com/the-cowardice-of-brave.html https://practicaltypography.com/the-cowardice-of-brave.html

1shooner 5y ago
But you're not selling ads. The user has opted-in to seeing spamware that gives them OS-level notifications, right? Is this new? I guess I don't see the specific impact on web content producers.
pl0x 5y ago
Brave is the wolves in sheeps clothing. I won't be surprised in the future if we learn Brave was using their browser and our data for shady things.
- BrendanEich 5y ago
  Why don't you go prove it by checking our code and runtime network behavior? We pay bug bounties through hackerone.com/brave. Talk is cheap, especially stories that don't pass any kind of smell test: we would not take our life into our hands by collecting any user data, when it's easy to discover that for real hackers. https://brave.com/data https://brave.com/data covers our data policies for baseline and optional stuff.
BrendanEich 5y ago
We don't and never have put ads in publisher pages. It's not ethical without site consent and our users don't want ads in baseline Brave. If Brave users opt into Brave Rewards for private user ads in push notifications (which, contra Butterick, do not belong to any page they might be near or above; they belong to the user's inventory, same as new tabs and unrelated windows of all kinds), we still wouldn't put ads in pages without both publisher and extra user consent (too many users still wouldn't want in-page ads, even if opted into user push notification ads). HN is full of made up nonsense about Brave, in spite of all the hackers here who can verify our open source, network behavior, etc. etc. This site has seen better days.
- tryptophan 5y ago
  Oh hello! I recently tried brave and was relatively impressed. BAT is also an interesting idea, and I want to see it succeed! However, I also had negative opinions of it like many people here before I really dug into it. I think your marketing really needs some work. I don't exactly know what it is - it might not even be your fault. The negative view of crypto many have has been associated with it. I would remove all mentions of crypto from your website. If people really want to know how the tokens work, they can go into the documentation. Having the word crypto on your landing page does you no good.

1shooner 5y ago

But you're not selling ads. The user has opted-in to seeing spamware that gives them OS-level notifications, right? Is this new? I guess I don't see the specific impact on web content producers.

pl0x 5y ago

Brave is the wolves in sheeps clothing. I won't be surprised in the future if we learn Brave was using their browser and our data for shady things.

BrendanEich 5y ago
Why don't you go prove it by checking our code and runtime network behavior? We pay bug bounties through hackerone.com/brave. Talk is cheap, especially stories that don't pass any kind of smell test: we would not take our life into our hands by collecting any user data, when it's easy to discover that for real hackers. https://brave.com/data https://brave.com/data covers our data policies for baseline and optional stuff.

BrendanEich 5y ago

We don't and never have put ads in publisher pages. It's not ethical without site consent and our users don't want ads in baseline Brave. If Brave users opt into Brave Rewards for private user ads in push notifications (which, contra Butterick, do not belong to any page they might be near or above; they belong to the user's inventory, same as new tabs and unrelated windows of all kinds), we still wouldn't put ads in pages without both publisher and extra user consent (too many users still wouldn't want in-page ads, even if opted into user push notification ads). HN is full of made up nonsense about Brave, in spite of all the hackers here who can verify our open source, network behavior, etc. etc. This site has seen better days.

tryptophan 5y ago
Oh hello! I recently tried brave and was relatively impressed. BAT is also an interesting idea, and I want to see it succeed! However, I also had negative opinions of it like many people here before I really dug into it. I think your marketing really needs some work. I don't exactly know what it is - it might not even be your fault. The negative view of crypto many have has been associated with it. I would remove all mentions of crypto from your website. If people really want to know how the tokens work, they can go into the documentation. Having the word crypto on your landing page does you no good.