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This is so far removed from my experience as to make me wonder if you live on the same planet I do. Specifically, I have met one female developer in my entire

by diolpah 15y ago

This is so far removed from my experience as to make me wonder if you live on the same planet I do. Specifically, I have met one female developer in my entire life, and I have been in a hiring position for 11 years now. Additionally, I have yet to meet even one male developer who cares about NASCAR, fantasy football, or works to simply punch the clock. In my world( that would be the web technology and retail automation industries of Orange County and Phoenix ), female developers effectively don't exist, and male developers care deeply for the technology they use and create.

terrywilcox 15y ago
I live in Calgary where, despite the old boy network, we have a large number of female IT professionals and engineers. They still face barriers, but it's improving. Your hiring experience sounds unusual. You never get resumes from women? You never interview guys who sound good on paper, but turn out to be duds?
- diolpah 15y ago
  You raise an interesting point on the male developers, and I admit I may be suffering from filter bias - I have interviewed plenty of guys who have no passion for the business, but never hired them, so I am making claims about the guys I actually work with. As for the females, I can honestly say I have received maybe one or two resumes from a female for a developer position, in my life.
  - terrywilcox 15y ago
    If you're not receiving resumes from women, you may want to examine your job advertising, benefits, and reputation in the industry. The way you advertise jobs will have a large influence on the type of people who apply. Word of mouth through your all-male developer network isn't likely to reach female developers. The tone of your ads may discourage women from applying (a PDF study: dbem.ws/Sex%20biased%20ads.pdf). The benefits you offer may also discourage women. Vacation time, flexible hours, and maternity leave tend to be as important to mothers or would-be mothers as health and dental coverage (as a father those things are also important to me, but I know dads who don't care). If you've got benefits that only a young single guy could love, you'll get young single guys applying. And then there's your reputation. Software development is a surprisingly small, connected industry. If you've only interviewed one female developer in 11 years (the maximum if you've only ever met one), that statistic is out there. Perhaps women don't apply because they've heard you don't hire women or don't even interview them. If you're not getting female developers applying for jobs, you're missing out on half the talent out there. You may want to check your network on LinkedIn and find out where they are working and why. And more importantly, why they're not interested in working for you.

by diolpah 15y ago

terrywilcox 15y ago

I live in Calgary where, despite the old boy network, we have a large number of female IT professionals and engineers. They still face barriers, but it's improving. Your hiring experience sounds unusual. You never get resumes from women? You never interview guys who sound good on paper, but turn out to be duds?

diolpah 15y ago
You raise an interesting point on the male developers, and I admit I may be suffering from filter bias - I have interviewed plenty of guys who have no passion for the business, but never hired them, so I am making claims about the guys I actually work with. As for the females, I can honestly say I have received maybe one or two resumes from a female for a developer position, in my life.
- terrywilcox 15y ago
  If you're not receiving resumes from women, you may want to examine your job advertising, benefits, and reputation in the industry. The way you advertise jobs will have a large influence on the type of people who apply. Word of mouth through your all-male developer network isn't likely to reach female developers. The tone of your ads may discourage women from applying (a PDF study: dbem.ws/Sex%20biased%20ads.pdf). The benefits you offer may also discourage women. Vacation time, flexible hours, and maternity leave tend to be as important to mothers or would-be mothers as health and dental coverage (as a father those things are also important to me, but I know dads who don't care). If you've got benefits that only a young single guy could love, you'll get young single guys applying. And then there's your reputation. Software development is a surprisingly small, connected industry. If you've only interviewed one female developer in 11 years (the maximum if you've only ever met one), that statistic is out there. Perhaps women don't apply because they've heard you don't hire women or don't even interview them. If you're not getting female developers applying for jobs, you're missing out on half the talent out there. You may want to check your network on LinkedIn and find out where they are working and why. And more importantly, why they're not interested in working for you.