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I've had YouTube Premium since its inception. Whenever I'm around someone else who puts on a free-tier version of YouTube its rather shocking how frequent and i

I've had YouTube Premium since its inception. Whenever I'm around someone else who puts on a free-tier version of YouTube its rather shocking how frequent and intrusive the commercial ads are.

titzer 5y ago
I bet! I run an adblocker and it's a cat and mouse game with YouTube ads slipping through. Last breakage, before I reinstalled it, I was getting ad interruptions for the same two stupid adds literally every 45 seconds.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Problem is once an ad blocker's in the loop, the ad architecture's dataflow is damaged and it'll have to run fallback content. So you'll get whatever's in the B-list of ads and that may be just two.
  - Macha 5y ago
    Yeah, google can circumvent the ad blocker's attempts to block the ad playback from beginning, but if the first thing the ad does is have double verify check if you're a bot, and double verify's domain is in your adblocker's list, then the ad is going to fail and Google will try load some other ad once it errors out.
    - tasha0663 5y ago
      > double verify check if you're a bot I hate when they do this. I just leave and go somewhere else. I'm not submitting to Voight-Kampff just to see a LinkedIn profile.
      - shadowgovt 5y ago
        That's win-win for the server. Servers start doing this because automated traffic is cutting into their ability to provide service to humans. If you're freeing up their traffic to serve other humans you're doing them a favor.
      - Macha 5y ago
        To be clear, advertising bot detection is different to website bot detection. The website bot detection is because they're worried about spambots filling comments or DDOS attacks. This is where you get the captchas. The advertiser bot detection is more for the case where the website owner is in on it and trying to boost their metrics to get more revenue from advertisers, and is more likely to be expressed via blank ad slots and demands for refunds from the website owner.
- BenjiWiebe 5y ago
  Which ad blocker? I use ublock origin and I never see YT ads.
  - titzer 5y ago
    I agree uBlock origin is the best, but I am running Safari now, so I use both Adblock plus and Ghostery lite.
    - tomp 5y ago
      I use AdGuard, I don't see YouTube ads.
aero-glide2 5y ago
I feel the same when I accidently open the stock app instead of Vanced.
idatum 5y ago
How far does YouTube Premium go as far as privacy? I never took a look at it carefully. My fear is I would pay the fee for no ads, but Google would still collect data on what I view and monetize that by selling me ads somewhere else.
- Macha 5y ago
  YouTube Premium does nothing to stop Google using your youtube history to profile you and letting advertisers target ads at you on other sites using Google's data which is partially built on the youtube profiling. By not loading the ads at all, it may stymie non-Google ad networks attempts to profile you.
- onemoresoop 5y ago
  I suspect that since you're a paying user, a more valuable customer, they'd want to mine your data more thoroughly to derive more profits in other ways.
  - Workaccount2 5y ago
    I would suspect the opposite, once you start paying you go from being a product to being a customer. If youtube was 90% premium members, it would likely be an unrecognizably better platform, since users instead of advertisers would be the core profit center.
    - onemoresoop 5y ago
      In a normal world that would make sense but we're dealing with businesses and MBAs who need to incessantly increase their revenue. As a paying customer they could squeeze more, you're willing to pay. Non-paying customers are used as a product themselves but it's extremely hard to extract more.
      - Workaccount2 5y ago
        That's just normal business though, and my statement is intrinsically correcting for that. Netflix has the same MBAs and bean counters, but their product has no ads and orders of magnitude less clickbait. Its clear they make content geared for their users, not for their advertisers. Youtube is very heavy with advertiser friendly content, and both creators and users pay heavily for that (but its *quote* Free! *unquote*)
AlwaysRock 5y ago
I just upgraded after refusing. Mostly for mobile. On desktop my ad block works but on mobile it wouldnt. You can also shut off your screen on mobile and it continues to run with Premium. It kind of sucks that Youtube requires you to pay for this but I use Youtube enough to be okay with it.
- onemoresoop 5y ago
  I'm blocking youtube ads on my mobile quite okay and the experience is fine (IOS - AdGuard). There are some twitches here and there but it is very usable.
- cma 5y ago
  Ad block on firefox works on YouTube on mobile (Android) and there is another mobile firefox extension to allow background play.
  - exhilaration 5y ago
    The name of the Firefox Android extension that allows background play is "Video Background Play Fix": https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro... Just install that and uBlock Origin and you're set: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/ublock-origin...
  - eyeundersand 5y ago
    On Android, Youtube Vanced (https://vancedapp.com/ https://vancedapp.com/) is the best solution, in my experience. Used it for multiple years, no complaints.
    - AlwaysRock 5y ago
      Oh nice. I'll check this out. Thanks.
hateful 5y ago
I ran ad blocking on Youtube for years, and I've been a Premium member since it came out (as Red back then). I can't stand ads and avoid them like the plague. Some ads still sneak into my world though. My current peeve is when going to a restaurant and they have "the game" on full blast. I'm perfectly fine with people watching/listening to the game - and half the time the restaurant is considered a "sports bar", so I get it. But what ends up happening is that those major games are mostly ads. And the ads are twice as loud as the game. So here I am, paying to eat at a place and I'm listening to ads. I've been tempted to ask the server if we'll be receiving a discount for listening to each ad like a mobile game!
- judge2020 5y ago
  Regarding this, sports bars in particular pay a pretty hefty fee to have public-view television service, especially regarding access to all pro-league games. I'm sure they'd be paying more in general if they opted to mute or turn off the screen during ads (since the network expects x% of the restaurant's viewers to see and hear the ad, so they get the advertiser to pay more for access to those viewers, subsidizing the restaurant's actual monthly bill).
- xfz 5y ago
  I would eat elsewhere if at all possible. You might not have many options though, or maybe you're with a group of people who love advertising.
  - KeepFlying 5y ago
    I think it's more that you're with a group of people who don't hate advertising enough to take any action against it.
- spikej 5y ago
  dude... go to a different restaurant. You might even find it's less crowded, and you get better service because there's no game on!
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Tenoke 5y ago
In all fairness, if the rest of us didn't run adblockers, they probably wouldn't need to be so aggressive with the ads for those that currently don't.
- BenjiWiebe 5y ago
  I'm gonna guess that isn't the case, and that the percentage of people using ad blockers is still fairly low.
- ravar 5y ago
  This strikes me as wishful thinking, adblockers are such a small minority. They are just following the incentives they would always follow, adblockers or no.
  - throwaway744678 5y ago
    From the article, 27% of users; this is higher than I thought, and not negligible anymore. Note: I tried a few google search to find accurate data, but it goes all over the place; is there an accurate estimation somewhere?
    - MomoXenosaga 5y ago
      Finding out if someone is running an ad blocker is not easy. After all a good ad blocker tries to be stealthy about it. (anti ad blocker leads to anti anti ad blocker)
      - mileza 5y ago
        There are plenty of websites that detect that I'm using an adblocker. It's mildly annoying, but then I get to decide if what I was about to read was worth it. Most of the time it's journaldemontreal.com (and other Quebecor-related websites) that prevents me from reading their articles with my adblocker. Which is a blessing in a way, because it's basically a glorified tabloid with a lot of articles of dubious quality. I'm on Firefox with both AdBlockPlus and uBlock Origin.
xyst 5y ago
instead of paying for premium and all of that money going to a megacorp. I spent some money on a simple browser plugin that forces YT to use the HTML5 video player. Although every now and then an ad happens to pre-load before the video starts but I just refresh the video page and the ad goes away.
- judge2020 5y ago
  Premium views help a lot more than ad-supported views for creators, on the scale of 10-20x the payout per-view[0,1] (and it pays out regardless of the advertiser friendliness rating). This has been a hot topic lately[2,3], but at what point is you watching YouTube for years without ads, without paying for Premium, ethically stealing or "piracy"? YouTube was buying petabytes of Hard Drive storage a day in 2012 to keep up with the demand[4], i'm sure it's nearly an Exabyte a day or more right now, so it doesn't cost $0 for YouTube to run the service, they just happen to have enough people on Mobile watching and clicking ads to make a profit[5] and subsidize the rest of us. 0: https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-payout/ https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-p... 1: https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=20&t=ARp161gnYQPvKVv7xnv88w https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=2... 2: https://youtu.be/-znPFc-0VS8?t=149 https://youtu.be/-znPFc-0VS8?t=149 3: https://youtu.be/6jUxOnoWsFU https://youtu.be/6jUxOnoWsFU 4: https://sumanrs.wordpress.com/2012/04/14/youtube-yearly-costs-for-storagenetworking-estimate/ https://sumanrs.wordpress.com/2012/04/14/youtube-yearly-cost... 5: https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-alphabet-earnings-revenue-first-time-reveal-q4-2019 https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-al...
  - xyst 5y ago
    It's insane to me that people are arguing in favor of the advertisement companies simply because they pay the content creators a sliver of what they accept from the companies that use their ad platform. Here's my take. It's not "piracy" or "ethical piracy" (what the fuck?). The content creators put it out on YT with the expectation that it will get viewed. The little money they receive now is simply a bonus. It's only piracy if the content creator put it out on a platform for some dollar amount (ie, direct to consumer model) and then it is later re-uploaded for free by another channel or via other means.. In other words, you can't claim piracy when the "price" is $0 up front. As for YT, I don't really care. They are subsidized by the data that is fed to them (ie, viewing history) and resold to advertisers. They get their nut. If anything, this should really push the forefront on innovation for a decentralized video streaming platform. One organization or group should not have this much power over who gets the "top views" via a proprietary algorithm.
kingcharles 5y ago
> Whenever I'm around someone else who puts on a free-tier version of YouTube its rather shocking how frequent and intrusive the commercial ads are. Also, when I accidentally open a video in a private browsing window where I'm not logged in. DAMN IT WHY IS ALL THESE ADS. Although, I have to say that the ads on YouTube were some of the most targeted of any site, and I would often sit through them.
- asddubs 5y ago
  you can enable addons in private mode
sgjohnson 5y ago
I have an ethical dilemma about YouTube. I hate ads, I hate Google, and I want to support the creators. For those reasons adblock is a must, and paying for YouTube Premium is not an option (I’m not going to voluntarily give a single penny of my money to Google) Sure, I’ve got CuriosityStream and Nebula subs, but not all content creators use those platforms. It is what it is.
- somerando7 5y ago
  The creators that are decently big (100k+) make enough money whether or not you ad-block. Don't worry about it.
  - elwell 5y ago
    They make enough money precisely because not everyone ad blocks. This seems like a fallacious argument.
    - xboxnolifes 5y ago
      A lot of big creators take sponsorship deals and have in-video ads. I know most of the ones I watch do, and I actually don't even mind them. They're personalized to the content creator's content, and are usually as entertaining as the video's contents because of it.
    - ratww 5y ago
      GP is talking about Patreon and sponsorships. A lot of videos get demonitized too, so some creators stand to see no money from ads in some videos.
- cercatrova 5y ago
  You can pay for their Patreon as well if you want
- judge2020 5y ago
  Nebula seems to split profit 50/50[0] while YouTube splits it 55/45 to the channel[1], and Youtube Premium views are regarded as being sometimes 10-20x the payout of an ad-supported view[2]. 0: https://nebula.app/faq#:~:text=How%20do%20the%20creators%20get%20paid%3F https://nebula.app/faq#:~:text=How%20do%20the%20creators%20g... 1: https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-program-2-million-creators-1235045674/#:~:text=Under%20YouTube%E2%80%99s%20standard%20revenue%2Dsharing%20terms%20for%20YPP%2C%20partner%20channels%20keep%2055%25%20of%20the%20money%20generated%20from%20ads%20on%20their%20videos.%20YouTube%20first%20launched%20the%20program%20in%202007 https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-progra.... 2: https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=20&t=ARp161gnYQPvKVv7xnv88w https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=2... and https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-payout/ https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-p...
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I've had YouTube Premium since its inception. Whenever I'm around someone else who puts on a free-tier version of YouTube its rather shocking how frequent and intrusive the commercial ads are.

titzer 5y ago

I bet! I run an adblocker and it's a cat and mouse game with YouTube ads slipping through. Last breakage, before I reinstalled it, I was getting ad interruptions for the same two stupid adds literally every 45 seconds.

shadowgovt 5y ago
Problem is once an ad blocker's in the loop, the ad architecture's dataflow is damaged and it'll have to run fallback content. So you'll get whatever's in the B-list of ads and that may be just two.
- Macha 5y ago
  Yeah, google can circumvent the ad blocker's attempts to block the ad playback from beginning, but if the first thing the ad does is have double verify check if you're a bot, and double verify's domain is in your adblocker's list, then the ad is going to fail and Google will try load some other ad once it errors out.
  - tasha0663 5y ago
    > double verify check if you're a bot I hate when they do this. I just leave and go somewhere else. I'm not submitting to Voight-Kampff just to see a LinkedIn profile.
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      That's win-win for the server. Servers start doing this because automated traffic is cutting into their ability to provide service to humans. If you're freeing up their traffic to serve other humans you're doing them a favor.
    - Macha 5y ago
      To be clear, advertising bot detection is different to website bot detection. The website bot detection is because they're worried about spambots filling comments or DDOS attacks. This is where you get the captchas. The advertiser bot detection is more for the case where the website owner is in on it and trying to boost their metrics to get more revenue from advertisers, and is more likely to be expressed via blank ad slots and demands for refunds from the website owner.
BenjiWiebe 5y ago
Which ad blocker? I use ublock origin and I never see YT ads.
- titzer 5y ago
  I agree uBlock origin is the best, but I am running Safari now, so I use both Adblock plus and Ghostery lite.
  - tomp 5y ago
    I use AdGuard, I don't see YouTube ads.

aero-glide2 5y ago

I feel the same when I accidently open the stock app instead of Vanced.

idatum 5y ago

How far does YouTube Premium go as far as privacy? I never took a look at it carefully. My fear is I would pay the fee for no ads, but Google would still collect data on what I view and monetize that by selling me ads somewhere else.

Macha 5y ago
YouTube Premium does nothing to stop Google using your youtube history to profile you and letting advertisers target ads at you on other sites using Google's data which is partially built on the youtube profiling. By not loading the ads at all, it may stymie non-Google ad networks attempts to profile you.
onemoresoop 5y ago
I suspect that since you're a paying user, a more valuable customer, they'd want to mine your data more thoroughly to derive more profits in other ways.
- Workaccount2 5y ago
  I would suspect the opposite, once you start paying you go from being a product to being a customer. If youtube was 90% premium members, it would likely be an unrecognizably better platform, since users instead of advertisers would be the core profit center.
  - onemoresoop 5y ago
    In a normal world that would make sense but we're dealing with businesses and MBAs who need to incessantly increase their revenue. As a paying customer they could squeeze more, you're willing to pay. Non-paying customers are used as a product themselves but it's extremely hard to extract more.
    - Workaccount2 5y ago
      That's just normal business though, and my statement is intrinsically correcting for that. Netflix has the same MBAs and bean counters, but their product has no ads and orders of magnitude less clickbait. Its clear they make content geared for their users, not for their advertisers. Youtube is very heavy with advertiser friendly content, and both creators and users pay heavily for that (but its *quote* Free! *unquote*)

AlwaysRock 5y ago

I just upgraded after refusing. Mostly for mobile. On desktop my ad block works but on mobile it wouldnt. You can also shut off your screen on mobile and it continues to run with Premium. It kind of sucks that Youtube requires you to pay for this but I use Youtube enough to be okay with it.

onemoresoop 5y ago
I'm blocking youtube ads on my mobile quite okay and the experience is fine (IOS - AdGuard). There are some twitches here and there but it is very usable.
cma 5y ago
Ad block on firefox works on YouTube on mobile (Android) and there is another mobile firefox extension to allow background play.
- exhilaration 5y ago
  The name of the Firefox Android extension that allows background play is "Video Background Play Fix": https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro... Just install that and uBlock Origin and you're set: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/ublock-origin...
- eyeundersand 5y ago
  On Android, Youtube Vanced (https://vancedapp.com/ https://vancedapp.com/) is the best solution, in my experience. Used it for multiple years, no complaints.
  - AlwaysRock 5y ago
    Oh nice. I'll check this out. Thanks.

hateful 5y ago

I ran ad blocking on Youtube for years, and I've been a Premium member since it came out (as Red back then). I can't stand ads and avoid them like the plague. Some ads still sneak into my world though. My current peeve is when going to a restaurant and they have "the game" on full blast. I'm perfectly fine with people watching/listening to the game - and half the time the restaurant is considered a "sports bar", so I get it. But what ends up happening is that those major games are mostly ads. And the ads are twice as loud as the game. So here I am, paying to eat at a place and I'm listening to ads. I've been tempted to ask the server if we'll be receiving a discount for listening to each ad like a mobile game!

judge2020 5y ago
Regarding this, sports bars in particular pay a pretty hefty fee to have public-view television service, especially regarding access to all pro-league games. I'm sure they'd be paying more in general if they opted to mute or turn off the screen during ads (since the network expects x% of the restaurant's viewers to see and hear the ad, so they get the advertiser to pay more for access to those viewers, subsidizing the restaurant's actual monthly bill).
xfz 5y ago
I would eat elsewhere if at all possible. You might not have many options though, or maybe you're with a group of people who love advertising.
- KeepFlying 5y ago
  I think it's more that you're with a group of people who don't hate advertising enough to take any action against it.
spikej 5y ago
dude... go to a different restaurant. You might even find it's less crowded, and you get better service because there's no game on!
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Tenoke 5y ago

In all fairness, if the rest of us didn't run adblockers, they probably wouldn't need to be so aggressive with the ads for those that currently don't.

BenjiWiebe 5y ago
I'm gonna guess that isn't the case, and that the percentage of people using ad blockers is still fairly low.
ravar 5y ago
This strikes me as wishful thinking, adblockers are such a small minority. They are just following the incentives they would always follow, adblockers or no.
- throwaway744678 5y ago
  From the article, 27% of users; this is higher than I thought, and not negligible anymore. Note: I tried a few google search to find accurate data, but it goes all over the place; is there an accurate estimation somewhere?
  - MomoXenosaga 5y ago
    Finding out if someone is running an ad blocker is not easy. After all a good ad blocker tries to be stealthy about it. (anti ad blocker leads to anti anti ad blocker)
    - mileza 5y ago
      There are plenty of websites that detect that I'm using an adblocker. It's mildly annoying, but then I get to decide if what I was about to read was worth it. Most of the time it's journaldemontreal.com (and other Quebecor-related websites) that prevents me from reading their articles with my adblocker. Which is a blessing in a way, because it's basically a glorified tabloid with a lot of articles of dubious quality. I'm on Firefox with both AdBlockPlus and uBlock Origin.

xyst 5y ago

instead of paying for premium and all of that money going to a megacorp. I spent some money on a simple browser plugin that forces YT to use the HTML5 video player. Although every now and then an ad happens to pre-load before the video starts but I just refresh the video page and the ad goes away.

judge2020 5y ago
Premium views help a lot more than ad-supported views for creators, on the scale of 10-20x the payout per-view[0,1] (and it pays out regardless of the advertiser friendliness rating). This has been a hot topic lately[2,3], but at what point is you watching YouTube for years without ads, without paying for Premium, ethically stealing or "piracy"? YouTube was buying petabytes of Hard Drive storage a day in 2012 to keep up with the demand[4], i'm sure it's nearly an Exabyte a day or more right now, so it doesn't cost $0 for YouTube to run the service, they just happen to have enough people on Mobile watching and clicking ads to make a profit[5] and subsidize the rest of us. 0: https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-payout/ https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-p... 1: https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=20&t=ARp161gnYQPvKVv7xnv88w https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=2... 2: https://youtu.be/-znPFc-0VS8?t=149 https://youtu.be/-znPFc-0VS8?t=149 3: https://youtu.be/6jUxOnoWsFU https://youtu.be/6jUxOnoWsFU 4: https://sumanrs.wordpress.com/2012/04/14/youtube-yearly-costs-for-storagenetworking-estimate/ https://sumanrs.wordpress.com/2012/04/14/youtube-yearly-cost... 5: https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-alphabet-earnings-revenue-first-time-reveal-q4-2019 https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-al...
- xyst 5y ago
  It's insane to me that people are arguing in favor of the advertisement companies simply because they pay the content creators a sliver of what they accept from the companies that use their ad platform. Here's my take. It's not "piracy" or "ethical piracy" (what the fuck?). The content creators put it out on YT with the expectation that it will get viewed. The little money they receive now is simply a bonus. It's only piracy if the content creator put it out on a platform for some dollar amount (ie, direct to consumer model) and then it is later re-uploaded for free by another channel or via other means.. In other words, you can't claim piracy when the "price" is $0 up front. As for YT, I don't really care. They are subsidized by the data that is fed to them (ie, viewing history) and resold to advertisers. They get their nut. If anything, this should really push the forefront on innovation for a decentralized video streaming platform. One organization or group should not have this much power over who gets the "top views" via a proprietary algorithm.

kingcharles 5y ago

> Whenever I'm around someone else who puts on a free-tier version of YouTube its rather shocking how frequent and intrusive the commercial ads are. Also, when I accidentally open a video in a private browsing window where I'm not logged in. DAMN IT WHY IS ALL THESE ADS. Although, I have to say that the ads on YouTube were some of the most targeted of any site, and I would often sit through them.

asddubs 5y ago
you can enable addons in private mode

sgjohnson 5y ago

I have an ethical dilemma about YouTube. I hate ads, I hate Google, and I want to support the creators. For those reasons adblock is a must, and paying for YouTube Premium is not an option (I’m not going to voluntarily give a single penny of my money to Google) Sure, I’ve got CuriosityStream and Nebula subs, but not all content creators use those platforms. It is what it is.

somerando7 5y ago
The creators that are decently big (100k+) make enough money whether or not you ad-block. Don't worry about it.
- elwell 5y ago
  They make enough money precisely because not everyone ad blocks. This seems like a fallacious argument.
  - xboxnolifes 5y ago
    A lot of big creators take sponsorship deals and have in-video ads. I know most of the ones I watch do, and I actually don't even mind them. They're personalized to the content creator's content, and are usually as entertaining as the video's contents because of it.
  - ratww 5y ago
    GP is talking about Patreon and sponsorships. A lot of videos get demonitized too, so some creators stand to see no money from ads in some videos.
cercatrova 5y ago
You can pay for their Patreon as well if you want
judge2020 5y ago
Nebula seems to split profit 50/50[0] while YouTube splits it 55/45 to the channel[1], and Youtube Premium views are regarded as being sometimes 10-20x the payout of an ad-supported view[2]. 0: https://nebula.app/faq#:~:text=How%20do%20the%20creators%20get%20paid%3F https://nebula.app/faq#:~:text=How%20do%20the%20creators%20g... 1: https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-program-2-million-creators-1235045674/#:~:text=Under%20YouTube%E2%80%99s%20standard%20revenue%2Dsharing%20terms%20for%20YPP%2C%20partner%20channels%20keep%2055%25%20of%20the%20money%20generated%20from%20ads%20on%20their%20videos.%20YouTube%20first%20launched%20the%20program%20in%202007 https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/youtube-partner-progra.... 2: https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=20&t=ARp161gnYQPvKVv7xnv88w https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1486935690315112455?s=2... and https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-payout/ https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/totalbiscuit-youtube-red-p...

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