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> imposed on customers They are imposed, because dumb equipment is getting harder to find. You can't buy a dumb TV any more. It'll soon be the same with dishwa

> imposed on customers They are imposed, because dumb equipment is getting harder to find. You can't buy a dumb TV any more. It'll soon be the same with dishwashers and washing machines. Incidentally, I don't want a smart machine with a 90's mode; that gives you all the complexity and unreliability of a smart machine. I've heard that industrial-grade clothes washers are reliable. My toaster is a Dualit, and has no electronics - the timer is clockwork. This is industrial-grade - it's pitched at people running a bar or cafe (and priced accordingly). No planned obsolescence, and it's held together with screws - it's eminently repairable, and spares are available. I'm prepared to pay for stuff that is un-smart.

acuozzo 5y ago
> You can't buy a dumb TV any more. FWIW, you can. New dumb TVs are marketed as "digital signage" and sold to businesses at a much higher price point.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  I just skimmed for some LG "digital signage": it's not obvious to me that these things actually contain a TV receiver. If it lacks a TV receiver, it doesn't really qualify as a dumb TV. This one comes with Windows 10; that's not quite what I mean by "dumb". It appears to really be a "smart" non-TV. https://www.lg.com/uk/business/digital-signage/lg-55ct5wj-b https://www.lg.com/uk/business/digital-signage/lg-55ct5wj-b