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The EU mandates the CCS charging connector. We really need to do the same thing in the US. Every auto manufacturer, except Tesla, is going with CCS. (Even Niss

The EU mandates the CCS charging connector. We really need to do the same thing in the US. Every auto manufacturer, except Tesla, is going with CCS. (Even Nissan announced that they are dropping Chdemo in the US and switching to CCS.) Tesla's proprietary supercharger is just like Betamax: They were first to the market, but the market didn't adopt their standard. There will even be people who bemoan that "supercharger was better" even though CCS supports faster charge rates than supercharger. (CCS has bigger pins than Supercharger.) Edit: Betamax had a smaller cartridge size limiting the physical amount of tape that would fit in a given cassette. Even though on paper Betamax was "better," a complete movie had to use a slower tape speed than VHS. Thus, the VHS version of a movie often had a clearer picture than Betamax.

InTheArena 5y ago
Every Tesla super-charger I have been has a reasonable amount of usage. Every third party one I have seen is either empty, broken, or has a old beat up Nissan Leaf sitting there overnight. Hopefully that will change, but right now, Tesla owns the market.
throwaway894345 5y ago
People need to relax. We're still in the early days of EVs--things will stabilize, probably around CCS in this particular case, but there's no need to look at this with some kind of schadenfreude. I doubt Tesla cares if the market converges on CCS or not, it's not like they were betting the farm on their proprietary connector. They just needed something to fast charge cars and no such thing existed when they began work on their supercharger fleet. It's really not a big deal for anyone except various deeply committed Tesla critics.
josephcsible 5y ago
Hasn't Tesla sold more EVs in the US than every other automaker combined? Even if literally every other automaker uses CCS, wouldn't Tesla's connector still have more market share? And their connector isn't it proprietary. They offered it freely (under terms quite similar in spirit to GPLv3, actually) to anyone who wanted it, but they just didn't get any takers.
- gwbas1c 5y ago
  > Even if literally every other automaker uses CCS, wouldn't Tesla's connector still have more market share? That will change overnight in a few years as more manufacturers offer EVs. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System, Tesla joined the consortium in 2016.
HWR_14 5y ago
Betamax was designed, iirc, more for professional use, like editors or cameramen for the news. So being able to show a full movies was less important.
- gwbas1c 5y ago
  Betamax was specifically designed as a consumer format. The cassette size was chosen to be similar to a paperback book. At the time, the industry didn't anticipate that people would view feature length movies on their video cassette players. The professional betamax format only shares the name.

InTheArena 5y ago

Every Tesla super-charger I have been has a reasonable amount of usage. Every third party one I have seen is either empty, broken, or has a old beat up Nissan Leaf sitting there overnight. Hopefully that will change, but right now, Tesla owns the market.

throwaway894345 5y ago

People need to relax. We're still in the early days of EVs--things will stabilize, probably around CCS in this particular case, but there's no need to look at this with some kind of schadenfreude. I doubt Tesla cares if the market converges on CCS or not, it's not like they were betting the farm on their proprietary connector. They just needed something to fast charge cars and no such thing existed when they began work on their supercharger fleet. It's really not a big deal for anyone except various deeply committed Tesla critics.

josephcsible 5y ago

Hasn't Tesla sold more EVs in the US than every other automaker combined? Even if literally every other automaker uses CCS, wouldn't Tesla's connector still have more market share? And their connector isn't it proprietary. They offered it freely (under terms quite similar in spirit to GPLv3, actually) to anyone who wanted it, but they just didn't get any takers.

gwbas1c 5y ago
> Even if literally every other automaker uses CCS, wouldn't Tesla's connector still have more market share? That will change overnight in a few years as more manufacturers offer EVs. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System, Tesla joined the consortium in 2016.

HWR_14 5y ago

Betamax was designed, iirc, more for professional use, like editors or cameramen for the news. So being able to show a full movies was less important.

gwbas1c 5y ago
Betamax was specifically designed as a consumer format. The cassette size was chosen to be similar to a paperback book. At the time, the industry didn't anticipate that people would view feature length movies on their video cassette players. The professional betamax format only shares the name.