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ElectrifyAmerica is $0.31 a kWh with a $4 a month subscription (that you can cancel at any time), it’s pretty reasonable, given you’ll basically take it on any

ElectrifyAmerica is $0.31 a kWh with a $4 a month subscription (that you can cancel at any time), it’s pretty reasonable, given you’ll basically take it on any road trip where you charge more than 33kwh. $0.31 is less than what PGE charges me most of a time at home, and less than most Tesla Superchargers in the area! Your example about per minute rates is a bit misleading, given most people who’ll use those PetroCanada stations won’t have such a fast charging car and that petrocanada will charge more when they switch to per-kWh pricing.

tgtweak 5y ago
I added the discounted membership cost, again it's still pretty heavily marked up over the cost of that power being charged to the stations (which is way lower than you PG&E peak residential rates). edit: You can head to the business BEV calculator and calculate for 200 cars doing full charges daily between 6am and 10pm (200 mile charges), every day of the month, the total monthly cost for power divided by the number of charges gets you to ~$10.50/charge power cost. So they're marking it up 80% in the cheapest case. If you only charge during peak hours (4-9pm) you could come out slightly ahead of the cost of energy assuming you paid for the membership.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Utility demand charges for pulling 50-300 kw of current makes up the majority of the cost of providing fast DC charging. Fast DC providers like Tesla and Electrify America attempt to offset this by colocating batteries at the station to shave utility demand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqOM9nzz-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqOM9nzz-A https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1543251 https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1543251
  - tgtweak 5y ago
    It's included in the above calculator by PG&E. They have an hourly-rate all-in plan for EV charging which rolls in power demand and energy.
    - thatfrenchguy 5y ago
      If you ask PGE for 350kw, you'll see quickly how much more they'll charge you in demand charges :)

tgtweak 5y ago

I added the discounted membership cost, again it's still pretty heavily marked up over the cost of that power being charged to the stations (which is way lower than you PG&E peak residential rates). edit: You can head to the business BEV calculator and calculate for 200 cars doing full charges daily between 6am and 10pm (200 mile charges), every day of the month, the total monthly cost for power divided by the number of charges gets you to ~$10.50/charge power cost. So they're marking it up 80% in the cheapest case. If you only charge during peak hours (4-9pm) you could come out slightly ahead of the cost of energy assuming you paid for the membership.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Utility demand charges for pulling 50-300 kw of current makes up the majority of the cost of providing fast DC charging. Fast DC providers like Tesla and Electrify America attempt to offset this by colocating batteries at the station to shave utility demand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqOM9nzz-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqqOM9nzz-A https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1543251 https://www.osti.gov/pages/servlets/purl/1543251
- tgtweak 5y ago
  It's included in the above calculator by PG&E. They have an hourly-rate all-in plan for EV charging which rolls in power demand and energy.
  - thatfrenchguy 5y ago
    If you ask PGE for 350kw, you'll see quickly how much more they'll charge you in demand charges :)