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here is the problem statement: 1. Get a technology proven to have solved a given problem more than 100 years ago. 2. Throw ICs on top of it. 3. Put “smart” i

by nrvn 5y ago

here is the problem statement: 1. Get a technology proven to have solved a given problem more than 100 years ago. 2. Throw ICs on top of it. 3. Put “smart” into marketing materials. 4. … 5. Profit There is nothing in any dishwasher[0], fridge, vacuum cleaner, washing machine, ${you_name_the_home_appliance} that would require to be smarter than they are without those (actually far from smart) hardware and software that is being installed and imposed on customers. If combined with the planned obsolescence[1] it creates a perfect combo. [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13909365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13909365

denton-scratch 5y ago
> imposed on customers They are imposed, because dumb equipment is getting harder to find. You can't buy a dumb TV any more. It'll soon be the same with dishwashers and washing machines. Incidentally, I don't want a smart machine with a 90's mode; that gives you all the complexity and unreliability of a smart machine. I've heard that industrial-grade clothes washers are reliable. My toaster is a Dualit, and has no electronics - the timer is clockwork. This is industrial-grade - it's pitched at people running a bar or cafe (and priced accordingly). No planned obsolescence, and it's held together with screws - it's eminently repairable, and spares are available. I'm prepared to pay for stuff that is un-smart.
- acuozzo 5y ago
  > You can't buy a dumb TV any more. FWIW, you can. New dumb TVs are marketed as "digital signage" and sold to businesses at a much higher price point.
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    I just skimmed for some LG "digital signage": it's not obvious to me that these things actually contain a TV receiver. If it lacks a TV receiver, it doesn't really qualify as a dumb TV. This one comes with Windows 10; that's not quite what I mean by "dumb". It appears to really be a "smart" non-TV. https://www.lg.com/uk/business/digital-signage/lg-55ct5wj-b https://www.lg.com/uk/business/digital-signage/lg-55ct5wj-b

by nrvn 5y ago

denton-scratch 5y ago

> imposed on customers They are imposed, because dumb equipment is getting harder to find. You can't buy a dumb TV any more. It'll soon be the same with dishwashers and washing machines. Incidentally, I don't want a smart machine with a 90's mode; that gives you all the complexity and unreliability of a smart machine. I've heard that industrial-grade clothes washers are reliable. My toaster is a Dualit, and has no electronics - the timer is clockwork. This is industrial-grade - it's pitched at people running a bar or cafe (and priced accordingly). No planned obsolescence, and it's held together with screws - it's eminently repairable, and spares are available. I'm prepared to pay for stuff that is un-smart.

acuozzo 5y ago
> You can't buy a dumb TV any more. FWIW, you can. New dumb TVs are marketed as "digital signage" and sold to businesses at a much higher price point.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  I just skimmed for some LG "digital signage": it's not obvious to me that these things actually contain a TV receiver. If it lacks a TV receiver, it doesn't really qualify as a dumb TV. This one comes with Windows 10; that's not quite what I mean by "dumb". It appears to really be a "smart" non-TV. https://www.lg.com/uk/business/digital-signage/lg-55ct5wj-b https://www.lg.com/uk/business/digital-signage/lg-55ct5wj-b